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Re: TAG comments on EME

From: Hadley Beeman <hadley@linkedgov.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:24:28 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKK2BTv5H+zjLKNBDzn5-L4WK-+B8+J+V4eQ+FhE+TcEBjz8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>, www-tag <www-tag@w3.org>
Just pasting this here to be thorough...

I've responded to Mark's comment on the github issues repo for EME:
https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/389#issuecomment-294899194

Cheers,

   Hadley



On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Hadley Beeman <hadley@linkedgov.org>
wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> I'm just confirming that we have seen your comments and appreciate the
> quick response! We need a bit of time to coordinate ours (as you know, we
> cross many time zones) — so I just wanted to thank you and tell you we'll
> get back to you soon.
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Hadley
>
> Le ven. 14 avr. 2017 à 18:24, Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com> a écrit :
>
>> Dear TAG,
>>
>> I responded to Hadley's post last night and subsequently read the TAG's
>> minutes on this issue.
>>
>> Respectfully, I do think your response misses a key point.
>>
>> EME not only gives browser implementors "a seat at the table" (as Alex
>> pointed out) with respect to DRM but they make the *choice* *of* and
>> have *responsibility* *for* the DRM implementation and/or its use*.
>> Content providers no longer get to choose. This is a major shift in both
>> technical and business architecture. Browser implementors have strong
>> incentives to respect user security and privacy and obviously if the *user's
>> agent* does not respect those things, we have much bigger problems.
>>
>> I've been working on this shift of responsibility to browsers for six
>> years. It's the single most important thing in EME. W3C and browser
>> implementor involvement has been a strong force for strengthening the
>> security and privacy aspects of the specification and W3C's continued
>> involvement would be a force against regression. So, its disappointing that
>> this is not recognized in your comments, which read as if CDMs are just
>> plugins-by-another-name over which browsers have no control.
>>
>> Also, several if not all browser implementors have been *exemplars of
>> good practice* with respect encouraging, celebrating and rewarding
>> independent security research and this is another reason to be optimistic
>> that this shift in responsibility will pay dividends. There is no evidence
>> that these implementors are carving out exceptions to their security
>> approaches for the DRM component.
>>
>> The EFF's covenant did not get much support because it would entail a
>> long and costly legal negotiation (cf patent policy) and reached much
>> further than security research. I'd note that if one really wants to solve
>> a problem in standards, it rarely works to come back with the same
>> previously rejected proposal a year later (not saying the TAG did this, but
>> others have). I think there could easily be a lighter-weight solution, but
>> none of the people raising this problem have made any suggestions, so we
>> have the guidelines as the only thing on the table.
>>
>> ...Mark
>>
>> * just to add, even if the DRM implementation is a platform capability,
>> the browser implementor chooses whether it is safe to use it - and which to
>> use if there are many - just as they do with any other platform capability.
>>
>>
Received on Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:25:04 UTC

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