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Minutes of 2014-03-13 telcon

From: Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:46:58 +0000
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The minutes from today’s telcon are available at


and reproduced below.


      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

              Technical Architecture Group Teleconference

13 Mar 2014


      [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2014-03-13-TC

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-tagmem-irc


          Peter, Dan, Jeni, Sergey, Domenic, Dave, Yves

          Yehuda, Alex




     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Extensible Web Summit
         2. [6]F2F Agenda
         3. [7]Updates
     * [8]Summary of Action Items

   <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014

   trackbot, start telcon

   <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference

   <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014

   <scribe> ScribeNick: JeniT

   <scribe> Scribe: Jeni

Extensible Web Summit

   Domenic_: what should we prepare?

   dka: we should have some short curated talks at the beginning
   of the day
   ... this is just to introduce topics
   ... we could outline in a shared document some ideas about what
   those talks should be
   ... and we can discuss at the F2F, which is 3 days beforehand
   ... I just sent out an email to invitees who haven't registered
   ... I'll open more general registration tomorrow
   ... which we should advertise
   ... to already-knowledgable developers

   Domenic__: we should start that shared document for planning,
   eg topics, format

   dka: there's an etherpad
   ... also, I had a ping from Evan Gill from Adobe asking about
   catering, budget, numbers etc

   <twirl> [9]https://ewe.etherpad.mozilla.org/1

      [9] https://ewe.etherpad.mozilla.org/1

   dka: if we don't have money, attendees can purchase food from
   the Adobe cafe

   Domenic__: we can encourage going out for lunch

   plinss: could we send out a reminder to tag member list please

F2F Agenda

   plinss: we have the wiki page for the agenda topics

   Domenic__: we might want to discuss module (?) integration


   dka: nothing from me

   JeniT: nothing from me

   twirl: question from me: what should we do with EME draft?

   <dka> We may want to schedule a special call or chat or
   something about summit organization ...

   twirl: I think it needs some population & fixing up

   <Yves> eme draft... => f2f topic

   +1 f2f topic

   Domenic__: did we capture all the feedback?

   JeniT: I think an informed discussion at the f2f needs to
   include a structure + a summary of the discussion

   Domenic__: and should we do anything between now and f2f?

   plinss: twirl, please can you organise the feedback?

   Domenic__: I revised quota management review
   ... I think we should send that over shortly
   ... that was a good review in many ways, it clarified some
   things about what's important
   ... and illustrated some general patterns that we should pull
   ... I saw twirl did web animations spec review too
   ... which looks great from my scan, but I'll look at further
   ... the promises guide is wrapping up
   ... I got information about WebIDL & promises
   ... the last piece was about authors needing specific
   ... the promises guide should be ready for review at f2f and
   then publication

   plinss: you want to send the quota management review?

   Domenic__: yes, unless there are objections

   plinss: any objections?

   twirl: I'm very happy

   dka: any more feedback should be in by Monday

   plinss: Domenic__, please prompt people on the list

   Domenic__: will do


     [10] https://github.com/w3ctag/api-design-guide/blob/master/API%20Design%20Guide.md

   Domenic__: design guide is very high level
   ... lot of good possibilities there
   ... what I did with quota mgmt was more specific
   ... "here's what's wrong, here's why, here's how you'd do it in
   ... useful as feedback but not necessarily something you'd read

   dherman: you're saying you're not sure whether to capture at
   that level of detail?


     [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/01-minutes.html#item02

   Domenic__: I don't think we should expect people to read it

   twirl: we discussed guide at last Cambridge f2f meeting
   ... including what the guide should be
   ... we decided we needed more completed reviews to make the
   ... I had an action to start doing this guide, but I'm waiting
   for more reviews to make it

   plinss: it's worth capturing, could be an appendix

   Yves: no updates

   dherman: I started drafting an explainer for module integration
   ... and some requirements documents
   ... got a lot more attention than I expected
   ... but it's going pretty well, though there are some people
   that aren't happy
   ... I'm trying to capture as much design/rationale/requirements
   as I can
   ... that will feed discussion at f2f
   ... that's just in my github repo

   <dherman> [12]https://github.com/dherman/web-modules/

     [12] https://github.com/dherman/web-modules/

   dherman: we're working on new browser engine called Servo
   ... redesigned from scratch
   ... building better abstractions in the architecture
   ... using extensible web philosophy & web components, layering
   ... I was pitching looking at web components sooner rather than
   ... and got interest
   ... we're looking at core primitives for CSS

   <Domenic__> +1 for more external contribs with web components

   dherman: the Servo team will be valuable in the extensible web
   ... and I'll try to bring them along to the summit
   ... specifically to discuss CSS

   <dka> +1

   dherman: Servo is an interesting project that I'd like people
   to be aware of

   <Domenic__> I could easily see hacking on <input type="date">
   on a weekend

   dherman: trying very different approaches from other browser
   ... useful as a way of testing ideas for new features in the
   ... to ensure they're implementable in very different engines

   Domenic__: it would be great to have that discussion at the

   dherman: they already do loads of abstraction from CSS in Servo
   ... lots of interesting stuff to talk about

Summary of Action Items

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