- From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:00:41 +0100
- To: www-tag@w3.org
Available now at
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html
and in text form below.
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Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
16 May 2013
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Marcos Cáceres, Anne van Kesteren, Peter Linss, Noah Mendelsohn,
Jeni Tennison, Henry S. Thompson
Regrets
Tim Berners-Lee, Dan Appelquist
Chairs
Noah Mendelsohn, Peter Linss
Scribe
Henry S. Thompson
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]F2F Admin and logistics
3. [7]F2F agenda
4. [8]iCal feed, Wiki page
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<noah> agenda: [9]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-agenda
Admin
<slightlyoff> [10]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/04/18-minutes.html
NM: We will need a while to review those
<noah> [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/02-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/02-minutes.html
approved as a record of the meeting of 2 May 2013
NM: Marcos has decided he has to resign from the TAG, as being the
second of two employees at Mozilla
... There will be a special election to replace him
... I encourage people to work to encourage good candidates to be
nominated
PL: And encourage people to stand
NM: We should hear from Ian Jacobs shortly about the timetable
NM: It will pbly take several month
NM: Do we have an off-cycle call next week? I suggest we pend that
decision, but only have a call if someone raises agenda items
... Discuss github now, or wait for f2f?
PL: MC, will you be at F2F?
MC: yes
PL: Introduce topic?
MC: We have a space, we can use it. . .
<JeniT> I have been using [13]https://github.com/w3ctag to put up some
presentations intended for F2F
NM: What org. owns this service?
MC: Git itself is distributed, so we replicate everything at W3C
NM: So we would have W3C URIs?
MC: Yes. Already doing this for SysApps WG
<slightlyoff> I'm a big fan of this, BTW
NM: So we can rely on W3C for persistence, and stick with the usual
date-space disciplines
PL: Proxying?
MC: DNS magic, Dave Raggett set it up. . .
NM: Now unclear -- if Github got bought, would we be at risk?
MC: SysTeam is looking at bullet-proofing this
PL: We don't yet have a git host at W3C, but we do have a mercurial
host there, and CSS WG surfaces that through github
NM: Does that actually give e.g. MC what he wants? I don't think he
could push via git?
PL: The goal of exposing via git is to get into a social space
... and be visible there
NM: Sounds like they all have the necessary functionality
<JeniT> +1 for collaboration & pull requests
<JeniT> +1 for having a presence in github
<JeniT> +1 for doing work on github
<slightlyoff> I think we should do this
<slightlyoff> +1
MC: Let's postpone the decision to the f2f, where we will have more
folk
NM: Trial this on one or two projects?
F2F Admin and logistics
AvK: Breakfast and Lunch are laid on, no dinner at the venue
NM: There is a dinner on the Wed. night, details coming from DA
NM: And the dev. meetup, at Mozilla, again details to come
<slightlyoff> is there a thing we can link to to help spread the word?
<annevk> not yet I think
<slightlyoff> is there going to be a signup? how will this work?
<annevk> slightlyoff: I'd suggest asking dan
<slightlyoff> oooook. Would love for this to be widely broadcast so we
get lots of developers
<annevk> slightlyoff: I think the idea is to broadcast through London
Web Standards, but I recommend reaching out to Dan
F2F agenda
PL: 1st day will be ---Camp approach, to collect agenda topics and
longer-term TAG work items
... It would be good to have some things to read going in
... but we're looking to the membership to provide topics
<JeniT> +1 for camp approach
<HT> +1
<marcosc_> +1
<slightlyoff> +1
HT: HTTPbis is going into Last Call at IETF. I've been doing a close
reading and would like to go over this with the group
<slightlyoff> +1, would love to hear about this
PL: Fine by me, reading?
HT: Will try to get you notes, but not sure yet
JT: Slides in preparation for capability URLs and distributed Web
Architecture
... So there won't be prior reading
<noah> +1 to capability URLs. Would love to see slides early so we can
get some email discussion ahead of F2F
<noah> (Newcomers should know that I'm famously skeptical of the wisdom
of capability URIs, but that's put me in what appears to be a
vanishingly small minority of TAG members)
<JeniT> noah, I'll send round links to slides
<noah> Thank you!
<annevk> (Is the stuff I mentioned about apps on the agenda? It's not
really clear to me what has been recorded and what has not.)
I might like to (re-)introduce persistence
I have a keynote to give on the topic at the end of June. . .
<noah> Suggest at some point we look through the several ACTIONS
relating to things that people promised/hoped to prepare for the F2F
JT: Alex's stuff? Is there more to come on that?
AR: I have a number of meetings intervening, but we should discuss
idiomatic API design, as well as a hit list of APIs for review
... We should find a way to work on that together
... YK and MC were talking about particular APIs
<noah> ACTION-784?
<trackbot> ACTION-784 -- Alex Russell to with help from Yehuda to frame
F2F discussion of layering -- due 2013-03-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/784
MC: I think we should have that discussion, I'm concerned that we don't
lose sight of the declarative/idiomatic tradeoff
NM: Idiomatic APIs is not layering? Or is it?
AR: We covered a lot at the last meeting on the general stuff, so now
we get to the details, which is idiomatic APIs
NM: So we got the general stuff, but I've missed the connection to APIs
AR: Yes, we need some stuff in the middle, I should try to supply that
NM: I would like to hear what our goals our -- what would success be
... not now, but before we go much further
<slightlyoff> agre
<slightlyoff> agree
<noah> tnx
<noah> Anyway, if new chairs want to continue using the ACTIONs tracker
to keep track of what's up, we might want to returne ACTION=784
PL: So, AR, can you get us anything before the F2F?
<JeniT>
[15]http://w3ctag.github.io/presentations/reveal/capability-urls.html#/
AR: Yes, I'll try to get email out soon
<noah> ACTION-563?
<trackbot> ACTION-563 -- Noah Mendelsohn to arrange for periodic TAG
key issues reports to Jeff per June 2011 F2F -- due 2013-05-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/563
NM: We have a standing obligation to report to JJ about what's coming
that we think he should know about
... For example, certificate authority vulnerabilities
... We can of course say we don't have anything
<noah> ACTION-749?
<trackbot> ACTION-749 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from HT and JT to
draft the TAG's response to the ISSUE-57 change proposal process
initiated on 29 February 2012, based on
[17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background and F2F
minutes of 8 October 2012. -- due 2012-11-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/749
JT: I'm waiting on URLs in Data publication before taking that forward
<noah> ACTION-749?
<trackbot> ACTION-749 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from HT and JT to
draft the TAG's response to the ISSUE-57 change proposal process
initiated on 29 February 2012, based on
[19]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background and F2F
minutes of 8 October 2012. -- due 2013-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/749
NM: So I've bumped the due date
PL: Nothing more?
<noah> Jeni, I should have checked for this agenda. You have two
pending review actions. Should we discuss them if we run out of agenda
today?
<noah> They are:
<noah> ACTION-752?
<trackbot> ACTION-752 -- Jeni Tennison to update URIs in data primer
based on discussion at Tuesday F2F -- due 2012-11-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/752
<noah> and
<noah> ACTION-790?
<trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Jeni Tennison to do new Editor's Draft of
fragids spec for approval to publish as CR -- due 2013-04-25 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790
<JeniT> both are awaiting publication
<JeniT> I have sent to Yves
<noah> close ACTION-752
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-752 Update URIs in data primer based on
discussion at Tuesday F2F.
<noah> close ACTION-790
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-790 Do new Editor's Draft of fragids spec for
approval to publish as CR.
<slightlyoff> JeniT: LGTM on the fragid draft
iCal feed
<slightlyoff> we might have skipped it, but I wanted to say thanks to
noah for getting the iCal feed set up
<noah> You're welcome, but Peter did almost all the work.
<noah> Indeed, Peter is running the server, so bug him if it breaks.
<slightlyoff> thanks plinss!
<slightlyoff> plinss: is there any chance we can socialize this with
other WGs?
AR: Can anyone besides PL add entries?
PL: It's write-only for chairs at the moment
AR: If we could merge other WGs in would be helpful, in terms of
planning etc.
PL: Just get them to ask for a login
... If this expands, we may need to look at moving it to W3C as such
NM: It is your server, PL?
PL: Under my control, paid for by HP [for CSS]
<annevk> Come on people. It's just a calendar thingie. ;-)
PL: We set it up to experiment with stuff which needed to be outside
w3.org for CSS
... It's available
AvK: Is there a preliminary agenda for the F2F available?
... I mentioned something last week, not sure I know how to find out if
it got noted
NM: DA and PL have in mind to use ---Camp approach, starting with seeds
from e.g. discussion today
AvK: So there will be a WikiPage?
NM: We have TAG wiki space at w3c
<annevk> and we should maybe create [23]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG
<marcosc_> or: [24]https://github.com/w3ctag/f2f-meetings/wiki
<marcosc_> ;)
<annevk> marcosc_: I don't really see the point in using GH for that
<annevk> marcosc_: the URLs you get are way worse and there's none of
the distributed benefits
<HT> I prefer W3 space
AvK: W3C should have only one wiki
<noah> I get "You don't have permission" from wiki.w3.org/TAG
<HT> I should have said [25]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG
<annevk> which is what I said ;)
<noah> Right, you should :-)
<noah> That works
<slightlyoff> SGTM
<marcosc_> +1 even
NM: Call next week?
AvK: I pbly can't
NM: So we leave it on the books, but expect that we won't actually have
a call on 23 May
PL: Works
<HT> [26]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG now exists
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-tagmem-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html#item02
7. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html#item03
8. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-minutes.html#item04
9. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/16-agenda
10. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/04/18-minutes.html
11. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/02-minutes.html
12. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/02-minutes.html
13. https://github.com/w3ctag
14. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/784
15. http://w3ctag.github.io/presentations/reveal/capability-urls.html#/
16. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/563
17. http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background
18. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/749
19. http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background
20. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/749
21. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/752
22. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790
23. http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG
24. https://github.com/w3ctag/f2f-meetings/wiki
25. http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG
26. http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG
27. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
28. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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