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Re: draft June 27th teleconference minutes

From: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:08:02 +0900
Message-ID: <51D4CAF2.9080407@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>
CC: www-tag@w3.org
Hello Yves, others,

Would it be possible to edit the minutes so that speakers are labeled by 
their real names (or something close to that) rather than just by some 
number (+1.415.997.aabb) or nickname (e.g. slightlyoff) or even less 
distinctive (what would happen with two [IPcaller]s on the call?)?

Regards,   Martin.

On 2013/07/03 23:01, Yves Lafon wrote:
> Available at
>
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/06/27-minutes.html
>
> and below in text version:
>
> [1]W3C
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
> Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
>
> 27 Jun 2013
>
> [2]Agenda
>
> [2] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-06-27-TC
>
> See also: [3]IRC log
>
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-irc
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> dka, plinss, +1.415.997.aabb, Yves, slightlyoff, ht,
> [IPcaller], marcos
>
> Regrets
> wycats
>
> Chair
> Peter and Dan
>
> Scribe
> Yves
>
> Contents
>
> * [4]Topics
> 1. [5]approval of minutes
> 2. [6]agenda planning
> 3. [7]moving to github
> 4. [8]status of the elections
> 5. [9]TAG Home page
> 6. [10]extensible web manifesto
> 7. [11]AWWW 2nd Edition
> 8. [12]RICG recommendation
> 9. [13]TC39 invitation to TPAC (muffins)
> * [14]Summary of Action Items
> __________________________________________________________
>
> waiting for other participants to join
>
> <wycats_> Regrets I am on an airplane
>
> <slightlyoff> I worry that we're losing momentum = (
>
> <scribe> Agenda:
> [15]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-06-27-TC
>
> [15] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-06-27-TC
>
> approval of minutes
>
> <ht> I linked the minutes from the wiki and homepages
>
> dka: did people look at the minutes?
> ... could have some more link to different materials, but looks
> ok to me
>
> <dka> [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/29-agenda.html
>
> [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/05/29-agenda.html
>
> <slightlyoff> SGTM
>
> agenda planning
>
> dka: we will plan call agenda by putting then in the wiki
>
> there is a new scribe page:
> [17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/scribe-rota
>
> [17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/scribe-rota
>
> <slightlyoff> looks good, thanks for putting that rotation
> together
>
> dka: of course, comments welcome
>
> moving to github
>
> plinss: looks good so far
>
> <dka> [18]https://github.com/w3ctag/promises-spec-text
>
> [18] https://github.com/w3ctag/promises-spec-text
>
> please remember to do readme files
>
> <slightlyoff> what's the URL of the blog?
>
> [19]http://www.w3.org/blog/TAG/
>
> [19] http://www.w3.org/blog/TAG/
>
> yves: the TAG blog is open to all TAG members, and not
> restricted to "the voice of the TAG" (unless we decide to)
>
> <slightlyoff> and how does one get access?
>
> dka: we also have the keys of @w3ctag
>
> <slightlyoff> [20]https://www.w3.org/blog/TAG/wp-login.php
>
> [20] https://www.w3.org/blog/TAG/wp-login.php
>
> <slightlyoff> exciting that we have it!
>
> dka: we also have the keys of @w3ctag
>
> status of the elections
>
> dka: we have two candidates running
>
> you can look at their statements
>
> election open until july 16
>
> marcos: should we encourage them to post an extended statement?
>
> dka: see [21]https://www.w3.org/2013/06/17-tag-nominations.html
>
> [21] https://www.w3.org/2013/06/17-tag-nominations.html
>
> <dka> [22]http://chaals.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=9
>
> [22] http://chaals.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=9
>
> <dka> [23]http://twirl-team.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=1036
>
> [23] http://twirl-team.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=1036
>
> TAG Home page
>
> plinss: we are working to get the TAG home page redesigned with
> some help
>
> plinss: we need it to be modern enough, but the main goal is to
> know what we want there.
> ... there is the style design and information design, we need
> to work on both
>
> <slightlyoff> plinss: that sounds good to me, outlining the IA
> first
>
> extensible web manifesto
>
> dka: how it impacts what we do?
>
> slightlyoff: it is in the same line with what we did in London
>
> how we are reorganize so that we can track specs to organize
> reviews
>
> for APIs
>
> dka: we have actions to reach out to different groups
>
> yves: for WebApps, see
> [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus#API_Specifica
> tions to get the list and status of publications
>
> [24] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus#API_Specifications
>
> slightlyoff: is there a way to better coordinate spec review?
>
> dka: we can use the irc channel as way to keep in touch
>
> <ht> -1 to IRC -- I'm off- and on-line too often
>
> <slightlyoff> SGTM++
>
> marcos: would like to use this as issues in github
>
> <slightlyoff> ht: are you using irccloud? it's ace
>
> slightlyoff: we need to have a better view of all the groups
> that are working on APIs
>
> <marcosc> [25]http://www.w3.org/TR/
>
> [25] http://www.w3.org/TR/
>
> <slightlyoff> marcosc: right, but I don't know how to share or
> link to any of the views of that
>
> marcos: the TR page have a list of all specs, nto perfect but
> at least you have the whole list
>
> <marcosc> slightlyoff: off, yeah... I know... I was trying to
> find that too :(
>
> dka: we don't need to look at everything done at W3C
>
> <Zakim> ht, you wanted to argue for a non-exclusive view of our
> scope
>
> <slightlyoff> dka: FWIW, I didn't ask the TAG to spend any time
> on workshops
>
> <slightlyoff> one last time; I don't htink this is a TAG item,
> I didn't bring it up, and I'd like to put it down = )
>
> <slightlyoff> ACTION: item to dka and slightlyoff to eat, near
> each other, soon [recorded in
> [26]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
>
> [26] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action01
>
> <trackbot> Error finding 'item'. You can review and register
> nicknames at
> <[27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/users>.
>
> [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/users%3E.
>
> <dka> Yves: referencing Robin's email - is there a way to have
> a better way to state that specs for example are partially
> stable and partially experimental...
>
> <dka> Dan: should we make a recommendation?
>
> <dka> Yves: I was thinking - do people in the Tag have opinions
> / experience in this area and if so should we make a
> recommendation back?
>
> <dka> Marcos: This is only a big deal on the w3c side. My
> recommendation is to keep the current model and allow specs to
> proceed down recommendation track so long as referenced specs
> remain stable...
>
> <dka> Marcos: could allow sections to be marked for stability.
>
> <dka> Yves: the way you can make assessments of stability of
> parts of the specifications could be done by marking it in some
> way...
>
> <Zakim> ht, you wanted to point to the QA document about this
>
> <dka> Henry: The problem is that there's so much inertia in
> this space. What was just suggested required a change to the
> process. W3C process is extremely resistant to change.
>
> <dka> ... it was absorb lots of TAG energy to get the AB to take
> this up.
>
> <dka> ... not convinced that the situation we're in is broken
> enough to warrant taking that effort on.
>
> <dka> ... reluctant to take this on.
>
> <dka> [discussion of the director overriding process]
>
> <dka> Marcos: It's kind of broken but if someone wants to move
> a spec forward it will move forward...
>
> <dka> Yves: one way to work around the issue is to spliit a
> spec into small chunks which are linked - and this is a mess
> for implementers.
>
> <dka> ... modularity might be a better way to work around that.
>
> <ht> This doc: [28]http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec/#reference
> has a lot of good analysis/recommendations
>
> [28] http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec/#reference
>
> <ht> We had an action to try to come up with a better story,
> which stalled two years ago:
> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/303
>
> [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/303
>
> <slightlyoff> I don't have an opinon
>
> <slightlyoff> +1
>
> AWWW 2nd Edition
>
> <scribe> ACTION: dka to send an email to the AB telling them
> that we are ready to give input on modularization and
> references if they work on that topic [recorded in
> [30]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]
>
> [30] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action02
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-820 - Send an email to the AB telling
> them that we are ready to give input on modularization and
> references if they work on that topic [on Daniel Appelquist -
> due 2013-07-04].
>
> <dka> [31]https://github.com/w3ctag/webarch
>
> [31] https://github.com/w3ctag/webarch
>
> ht: worked on a new version of webarch using github
>
> <ht>
> [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2013Jun/0023.ht
> ml
>
> [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2013Jun/0023.html
>
> worked on a draft new abstract
>
> ht: there was a bipolar reaction to it, enthusiasm and
> anger/hate (scribe paraphrasing a bit)
>
> TBL and I and some other people think the original AWWW
> document was not served by some terminology inherited from
> rfc2616
>
> ht: at the f2f, we decided we _might_ take it on
>
> ht: we put it on github so that people can edit it and do pull
> requests on it
>
> <slightlyoff> ht: that sounds good
>
> <ht> I agree with Marcos that with hindsight it was a mistake
> to ask for feedback so soon
>
> marcos: "editing the bible" scares people, we need other ways
> to make progress
>
> discussion about private repos and StO
>
> <slightlyoff> to clarify, they only START private
>
> <slightlyoff> and go public once things are "more solid"
>
> <slightlyoff> but this is a much different product -- people
> think they already understand it
>
> <slightlyoff> speaking of social pressure....what's next for
> API review? bugs in the repo marcos sets up?
>
> <marcosc>
> [33]https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/m
> aster/RICG-recs/ricg.md
>
> [33]
> https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/master/RICG-recs/ricg.md
>
>
> <slightlyoff> that's a good point...wycats_ and I need to do
> that this week
>
> RICG recommendation
>
> <slightlyoff> I agree with these
>
> <slightlyoff> +1
>
> <slightlyoff> nice work, marcosc
>
> ht: speaking from somebody outside the community, it would be
> helpful to include definitions, or examples (eg: for polyfills)
>
> marcos: there are also prollyfills
>
> TC39 invitation to TPAC (muffins)
>
> <dka> PROPOSED RESOLVED: Marcos to send
> [34]https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/m
> aster/RICG-recs/ricg.md to RICG as feedback.
>
> [34]
> https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/master/RICG-recs/ricg.md
>
>
> <ht> +1
>
> <dka> RESOLUTION: Marcos to send
> [35]https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/m
> aster/RICG-recs/ricg.md to RICG as feedback.
>
> [35]
> https://github.com/w3ctag/extending-html-responsibly/blob/master/RICG-recs/ricg.md
>
>
> dka: there is no pb to have TC39 members invited at TPAC
>
> <slightlyoff> I don't know either, but i feel like we should
> handle this urgently
>
> <slightlyoff> ht: it's easy...es-discuss is open
>
> <Zakim> ht, you wanted to suggest we should ask TC39!
>
> ht: we should ask TC39
>
> slightlyoff: I don't know what to do, asking TC39 is good but
> giving then too many choices might be an issue
>
> <slightlyoff> ht: I like that a lot
>
> <slightlyoff> ht: that's good framing
>
> <dka> Option 1: A hosted meeting at TPAC either Monday-Tusday
> or Thursday-Friday if TPAC with understanding that others can
> join as guests and you can join others as guests...
>
> ht: difference is being like a regular WG or less constrained
> like the TAG
>
> <slightlyoff> can we iterate on this quickly on the mailing
> list?
>
> <dka> Option: 2: a less constrained invitation as guests of the
> TAG?
>
> <slightlyoff> I'd like to make sure wycats_ has input
>
> <slightlyoff> dka: yes, I think so
>
> <slightlyoff> there's also an internal TC39 reflector that I
> can post to
>
> <slightlyoff> but I think public-script-coord is a good way to
> start
>
> <slightlyoff> yes, I can
>
> <scribe> ACTION: dka to talk to Jeff about TC39 to TPAC
> [recorded in
> [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]
>
> [36] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action03
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-821 - Talk to Jeff about TC39 to TPAC
> [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2013-07-04].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: slightlyoff to send email to
> public-script-coord about TC39 and TPAC [recorded in
> [37]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action04]
>
> [37] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action04
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-822 - Send email to
> public-script-coord about TC39 and TPAC [on Alex Russell - due
> 2013-07-04].
>
> dka: don't hesitate to bring the chairs feedback if we miss
> something
>
> next call will be in two weeks: july 11th
>
> ADJOURNED
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [NEW] ACTION: dka to send an email to the AB telling them that
> we are ready to give input on modularization and references if
> they work on that topic [recorded in
> [38]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]
> [NEW] ACTION: dka to talk to Jeff about TC39 to TPAC [recorded
> in
> [39]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]
> [NEW] ACTION: item to dka and slightlyoff to eat, near each
> other, soon [recorded in
> [40]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
> [NEW] ACTION: slightlyoff to send email to public-script-coord
> about TC39 and TPAC [recorded in
> [41]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action04]
>
> [38] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action02
> [39] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action03
> [40] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action01
> [41] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-tagmem-minutes.html#action04
>
> [End of minutes]
>
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