- From: Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT)
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/18-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
18 Oct 2012
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves, Larry,
Noah_Mendelsohn
Regrets
Chair
Noah
Scribe
Yves
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]approval of minutes
2. [5]Administrative item
3. [6]action to be closed
4. [7]TPAC
5. [8]Publishing and Linking
6. [9]action items
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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approval of minutes
no weekly minutes needs approval
minutes of f2f not entirely received yet
...postponed until next week
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
Administrative item
<ht> HST happy with Election Procedures email
<noah> ACTION-744?
<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to
the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the
TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
<noah>
[13]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html
[13] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html
<noah> ab@w3.org?
RESOLUTION: send the E-mail on TAG election procedures email to
the AB <ab@w3.org>
<noah> HT: ab list is member-only...follow their precedent
(discussions about Cc:ing www-tag, result is no)
<noah> Permission to close 744 once sent? No objection.
Noah: the f2f minutes have the discussion around that issue
public anyway
action to be closed
<noah> ACTION-701?
<trackbot> ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with
Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
<noah> ACTION-721?
<trackbot> ACTION-721 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update product
index to target date on publishing & linking -- due 2012-06-20
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721
<noah> ACTION-736?
<trackbot> ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on
ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736
[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736
<noah> close ACTION-701
<trackbot> ACTION-701 Follow up with Robin on election reform
closed
<noah> close ACTION-721
<trackbot> ACTION-721 Update product index to target date on
publishing & linking closed
no objections, action closed
<noah> close ACTION-736
<trackbot> ACTION-736 Prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-733?
<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30
minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due
2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
<noah> close ACTION-733?
<noah> ACTION-739?
<trackbot> ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F
discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20
Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
<noah> close ACTION-739
<trackbot> ACTION-739 Schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler
registration see discussion on 20 Sept. closed
<noah> ACTION-740?
<trackbot> ACTION-740 -- Larry Masinter to update the
governance frame for Oct F2F discussion -- due 2012-09-27 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740
<noah> close ACTION-740
<trackbot> ACTION-740 Update the governance frame for Oct F2F
discussion closed
TPAC
nothing heard from the ab wrt joint meeting
<noah> HT: Suggest nothing further official on AB syncup unless
they reach out to us
Larry: I'll bug Steve
<noah> Ian Jacobs:
[20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html
[20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html
<noah> From Ian's note:
<noah> Some options:
<noah> * 5 minutes at the AC meeting (Tuesday afternoon or
Thursday morning)
<noah> * An breakout session during TPAC plenary. You don't
have to use the whole hour if you don't need it.
<noah> * A lightning talk during the plenary session on "new
work".
<noah> We can do all of them, or a subset.
ht: we won't do a breakout session
... I'll happy to make sure we don't drop this
<masinter> I'm thinking of a breakout sesssion about precision
and error handling
<noah> Larry, do we need to discuss that here.
<masinter> no
<masinter> i'm working on the "list of issues for Jeff" and
want to talk about the issues to people at TPAC
Ashok: publishing and linking can be mentionned in item 1 or 3
noah: lightning talk would make sense
<masinter> I'm trying to decide whether I want "last call" of
P&L before or after TPAC
<masinter> list of issues for jeff
<masinter> the issues I have are governance, security, http,
URI, TAG
Noah: we got this discussed at the f2f, no?
Larry: the list is constructed from memory, I'll check the f2f
minutes
Publishing and Linking
Ashok: I added an executive summary
the document was sent on monday, no comments since then
diff is at
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3
.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FPublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-2012-08-
15.html&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2Fpubli
shingAndLinkingOnTheWeb.html
[21]
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FPublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-2012-08-15.html&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FpublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb.html
Larry: we told some people we would ask for feedback, I would
like their comment before LC
<masinter> Last call is a general call for review
<masinter> if we have 3-4 specific people we want to ask for
review, we could do that before Last Call
<masinter> i could go either way
Noah: the trade-off is that we don't want to LC if we think
it's broken. Here there is no downside of going to LC back to
WD, so not a big deal either way
<ht> +1 to last call now
Ashok: I'd rather go to LC now and deal with comments
<masinter> i'm fine with Last Call now
Yves: looks fine to go to LC now
<masinter> +1 to last call before TPAC
Ashok: when can it be published?
<masinter> weren't we going to write exit criteria
<Ashok> Yves, if we agree today, we can publish next week
Noah: my inclination here is not to dive in process issue about
exit criteria, LC is a good next step to get attention on the
document
<noah> . PROPOSAL: We agree to take
[22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb
-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for
TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news
announcement.
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html
<masinter> ok, the exit criteria discussion was about fragid,
not p&l
<noah> RESOLUTION: We agree to take
[23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb
-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for
TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news
announcement.
[23]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html
<noah> Approved without objection.
[24]http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565
[24] http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565
FPWD announcement.
Yves: we can iterate form this announcement, asking explicitly
for feedback
<noah> ACTION-747?
<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page
on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft --
due 2012-10-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
<masinter> action-755?
<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok
(and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2)
Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match -- due
2012-10-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
[26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
<noah> ACTION-755 Due 2012-10-28
<trackbot> ACTION-755 with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide
exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding
3) Update product page to match due date now 2012-10-28
<noah> ACTION-747 Due 2012-10-28
<trackbot> ACTION-747 Update product page on publishing and
linking: dates and link to public draft due date now 2012-10-28
<noah> ACTION-755?
<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok
(and TAG), decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking - must
be ahead of CR -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
<noah> ACTION-747?
<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page
on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft --
due 2012-10-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
action items
<noah> ACTION-708?
<trackbot> ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris
Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due
2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708
<noah> ACTION-564?
<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues
in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis
editors as appropriate -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
<ht>
[31]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatype
s/
[31] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes/
<ht> Keep 564
<ht> Close 708
<noah> close ACTION-708
<trackbot> ACTION-708 Check with Chris Lilley on likely near
term progress of RFC 3023bis closed
<ht> Move date to 1-Dec-2012
<noah> ACTION-564 Due 2012-12-01
<trackbot> ACTION-564 Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to
TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate due
date now 2012-12-01
<noah> ACTION-564?
<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues
in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis
editors as appropriate -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
<noah> ACTION-733?
<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30
minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due
2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
<noah> ACTION-659?
<trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on
HTTP 2.0 & SPDY -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[34]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
<noah> close ACTION-733
<trackbot> ACTION-733 prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP
2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-750?
<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact Ian about
TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late
afternoon -- due 2012-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
<ht> Fine
<noah> ACTION-750?
<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Henry Thompson to contact Ian about
TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late
afternoon -- due 2012-10-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
<noah> ACTION-744?
<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to
the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the
TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
<noah> ACTION-734?
<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion
of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
<noah> ACTION-672?
<trackbot> ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to
create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that
referenced from HTML media type registration, per
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.ht
ml -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html
<trackbot>
[40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
[40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
<noah> ACTION-724?
<trackbot> ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible
TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points --
due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
Yves: I recall we discussed extensions in general, we might
keep discussion about CSS vendor prefixes as well
Noah: should we schedule discussion next week?
Peter: I brought the issues about CSS vendor prefix
Noah: the question is.. is it a model for anything else?
Peter: there are discussions in the CSS WG about changing it,
nothing concrete so far
Larry: it would be good to know what are the issues
<masinter> i'm still interested in this topic
<noah> ACTION-734?
<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion
of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
Larry: can you brief us about csswg discussions about vendor
prefixes?
<noah> ACTION-711?
<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans
for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal
of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
[43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
Peter: I have an action to write a document about that
<masinter> i'm ok with dropping 734 and keeping 711 open
<noah> close ACTION-734?
<noah> ACTION-711?
<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans
for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal
of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
[44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
<noah> close ACTION-734
<trackbot> ACTION-734 schedule discussion of vendor prefixes
(ACTION-711) at F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-683?
<trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be
a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket
protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
<noah> YL: Started to discuss w/Mike, but he was away. On hold.
<noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-12-04
<trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to
present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the
TAG due date now 2012-12-04
<noah> ACTION-617?
<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take
[46]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off
the Rec track -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
[46] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/
<trackbot>
[47]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2012-10-23
<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take
[48]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off
the Rec track due date now 2012-10-23
[48] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/
<noah> Good Practice
<noah> Specifications that define namespaces SHOULD explicitly
state their policy with respect to changes in the names defined
in that namespace.
<masinter> seems like it belongs in the XML spec
<noah> ACTION-617?
<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take
[49]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off
the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
[49] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/
<trackbot>
[50]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
ht: this is not the XML-core business, it's a TAG issue,
relative to httprange-14
<masinter> should be errata / addendum to namespace rec
<ht> Whoops
noah: how about publishing this document as a note, and send
the pointer to that note to xml-core (to be put on there work
pile if they think it's ok with them)
<ht> I like Noah's suggestion
Yves: +1
<ht> I have to leave :-(
<masinter> +1
<masinter> add an XML section to
[51]http://www.webplatform.org/ :P
[51] http://www.webplatform.org/
<plinss> +1
due to technical issues... ADJOURNED
Summary of Action Items
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