Re: Registration of acct: as a URI scheme has been requested

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho@gmail.com>wrote:

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> On 20 June 2012 19:02, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> I think the TAG should look at this.  It raises the general question
>>> of the architectural appropriateness of URI schemes intended only for
>>> use internally within a particular protocol.  As I understand it acct:
>>> URIs have no meaning outside messages in the proposed webfinger
>>> protocol.
>>>
>>
>> I strongly second this. There is no reason why the "name@domain" can not
>> be just handled as a string to be parsed to get the domain and then do a
>> lookup in SWD/WebFinger. An additional URI scheme in front does not really
>> help the algorithm, as it doesn't need to distinguish between SMTP-enabled
>> names@domains (mailto:) and those that don't/may not ("acct:").
>>
>> Thus, as "acct:" is not attached to any concrete functionality beyond
>> SMTP (as it does not normatively state state that such as account should be
>> SWD/Webfinger-enabled) AND may even overlap with mailto: names@domains,
>> I don't really see the point. . If we go back to the world where every new
>> application needs a new URI scheme, something has gone wrong.
>>
>
> FWIW I 100% agree with you
>
> However this was not the gist of the argument over at IETF
>
> WebFinger should be general purpose discovery.
>
> General purpose discovery based on a URI.
>

*Any* URI. Then why get a new URI scheme?

>
> Now there's no mechanism in XRD to look something up based on the object
> of <foo> <bar>  <mailto:user@host>
>
> Only to look things up based on ?resource=<foo>
>
> This has made an implicit translation from mailto:user@host (object) ->
> acct:user@host (subject) desirable.
>

This seems to be an XRD issue, not a reason for a new URI scheme. I mean,
XRD has legacy connections to XRI as sort of URI-ish scheme regardless.

>
> SWD looked up based on mailto:
>
> Webfinger based on the @subject of an XRD doc.  IIRC subject is mandated
> in the xml schema.
>
> Now webfinger was designed for smtp, but after 3 years of feature creep
> the folloing 2 schemes came into play:
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> SIP
>
> XMPP - but xmpp already has its own discovery.
>
> Next the idea was that twitter might want to use  acct:harry@twitter.comas an account identifier (they didnt ask for this) but people argue it
> could be useful to identify things in this way.
>


If Twitter didn't ask for this, I don't see why it should be needed for
WebFinger/SWD to go forward.


>
> So the whole thing is a bit more all encompassing than it was before.  How
> this will mesh with HTTP URIs as identifiers is an interesting question and
> I dont think has really been explored in as much depth as it could have
> been yet.
>
>
>>
>>   cheers,
>>      harry
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ht
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>
>>> To: "Paul E. Jones" <paulej@packetizer.com>
>>> Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:51:54 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] FW: I-D Action:
>>> draft-jones-appsawg-webfinger-06.txt
>>> * Paul E. Jones wrote:
>>> >I have also sent a request to the email address specified for URI scheme
>>> >review to try to move registration of "acct" along.  I hope that will
>>> not
>>> >take long, and I would hope it would not considering the specific and
>>> narrow
>>> >scope of "acct".
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01605.html if
>>> anyone wants to follow along.
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