Re: A proposal involving my original reason for commenting on httpRange-14

On 4/3/12 12:01 PM, Harry Halpin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Melvin Carvalho
> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> On 3 April 2012 15:04, Harry Halpin<hhalpin@ibiblio.org>  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Ed Summers<ehs@pobox.com>  wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 303 hasn't stopped facebook adding 850 million+ Linked Data profiles to
>>>>> the
>>>>> Web. We still talk about Linked Data as though its just starting when
>>>>> in
>>>>> fact its already reached critical mass etc.. DBpedia, LOD Cloud etc..
>>>>> combined with Facebook and Schema.org == way beyond critical mass :-)
>>>> Perhaps this is where you were going, but I think it's important to
>>>> point out that Facebook and publishers of Open Graph data ignore
>>>> httpRange-14 entirely, which is probably why it is working. For
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>>     http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/
>>>>
>>>> identifies a movie:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/og/object?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt1182345%2F
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your email Harry!
>>> Precisely. Indeed, while no-one *forces* you to use 303 redirection,
>>> you currently have to use it to count as Linked Data. Which leaves
>>> Linked Data to the true believers like Kingsley, while lots of people
>>> probably just want to mint RDF data using APIs etc.
>>
>> Harry, you dont have to use 303 to count as linked data.
>>
>> http://5stardata.info/
> I think very few people look at that web-page and many more people
> look at the Linked Data tutorial:
>
> http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/pub/linkeddatatutorial/
>
> Perhaps some people have the book, although that is unlikely.
>
> Anyways, my suggestion and analysis stands regardless of how "fuzzy"
> one wants to define Linked Data.
>
>     cheers,
>         harry

Can we not all just agree that the following hold true:

1. Structured data is linked data.
2. Linked Data has fidelity.
3. Progressive increases in Linked Data fidelity enable the Web work 
better for you (machine or human).

That's it.

Facebook, Schema.org, DBpedia, LOD, Wikidata etc.. are all good. We only 
*had* a problem when structured data fidelity was too lacking. That was 
a loooong time ago. These are very different times.


Kingsley
>
>> The Web is nothing if not tolerant.
>>
>> The more stars you collect, the higher your chance of reaching the "sea of
>> interoperability".
>>
>>>
>>> For the time being, http://graph.facebook.com/117527568273199
>>> illustrates my point (note that its also in JSON), and I want that to
>>> *count* as Linked Data. Right now that URI identifies *both* metadata
>>> about the movie and the movie itself. If/when Facebook wishes to mint
>>> a separate URI for the "metadata about the movie" from 'the movie
>>> itself" they should be able to, and then use w3c:describes OR 303
>>> redirection to connect the two URIs.
>>>
>>> As for the fact that might break OWL reasoners and semantics, I don't
>>> really care -  as one of the people who has done owl:sameAs reasoning
>>> on a large scale, you basically have to re-code everything in special
>>> purpose code to make things scalable (regardless of all the hype over
>>> decidable reasoning), so "OWL semantics" is kinda meaningless for
>>> practical purposes and as we have also shown, owl:sameAs is used in
>>> very odd contexts beyond strict identity all over the place.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to talk philosophy (and have several papers about this) in
>>> an academic context, but from an engineering point of view I'd just
>>> like Linked Data to work. While Linked Data cloud is kinda huge, its
>>> not nearly as big as it *could* be if we did two things 1) replaced
>>> RDF/XML with a JSON format and 2) gave people easier options than 303
>>> redirections. I think those are the two major deployment barriers.
>>>
>>>    cheers,
>>>          harry
>>>
>>>
>>>> //Ed
>>>>
>


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