Re: A proposal involving my original reason for commenting on httpRange-14

On 3 April 2012 15:04, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
> >> 303 hasn't stopped facebook adding 850 million+ Linked Data profiles to
> the
> >> Web. We still talk about Linked Data as though its just starting when in
> >> fact its already reached critical mass etc.. DBpedia, LOD Cloud etc..
> >> combined with Facebook and Schema.org == way beyond critical mass :-)
> >
> > Perhaps this is where you were going, but I think it's important to
> > point out that Facebook and publishers of Open Graph data ignore
> > httpRange-14 entirely, which is probably why it is working. For
> > example:
> >
> >    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/
> >
> > identifies a movie:
> >
> >
> https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/og/object?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt1182345%2F
> >
> > Thanks for your email Harry!
>
> Precisely. Indeed, while no-one *forces* you to use 303 redirection,
> you currently have to use it to count as Linked Data. Which leaves
> Linked Data to the true believers like Kingsley, while lots of people
> probably just want to mint RDF data using APIs etc.
>

Harry, you dont have to use 303 to count as linked data.

http://5stardata.info/

The Web is nothing if not tolerant.

The more stars you collect, the higher your chance of reaching the "sea of
interoperability".


>
> For the time being, http://graph.facebook.com/117527568273199
> illustrates my point (note that its also in JSON), and I want that to
> *count* as Linked Data. Right now that URI identifies *both* metadata
> about the movie and the movie itself. If/when Facebook wishes to mint
> a separate URI for the "metadata about the movie" from 'the movie
> itself" they should be able to, and then use w3c:describes OR 303
> redirection to connect the two URIs.
>
> As for the fact that might break OWL reasoners and semantics, I don't
> really care -  as one of the people who has done owl:sameAs reasoning
> on a large scale, you basically have to re-code everything in special
> purpose code to make things scalable (regardless of all the hype over
> decidable reasoning), so "OWL semantics" is kinda meaningless for
> practical purposes and as we have also shown, owl:sameAs is used in
> very odd contexts beyond strict identity all over the place.
>
> I'm happy to talk philosophy (and have several papers about this) in
> an academic context, but from an engineering point of view I'd just
> like Linked Data to work. While Linked Data cloud is kinda huge, its
> not nearly as big as it *could* be if we did two things 1) replaced
> RDF/XML with a JSON format and 2) gave people easier options than 303
> redirections. I think those are the two major deployment barriers.
>
>   cheers,
>         harry
>
>
> >
> > //Ed
> >
>
>