- From: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:30:32 -0500
- To: www-tag@w3.org
At http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/01/27-minutes.html and in plain
text below. Better late than never, I hope. -Jonathan
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
27 Jan 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/01/27-agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/27-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.858.216.aaaa, plinss, Masinter, John_Kemp, jar,
Ashok_Malhotra, Yves, Noah_Mendelsohn, ht_home, Raman
Regrets
Chair
Noah Mendelsohn
Scribe
Jonathan Rees
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Convene
2. [6]F2F agenda planning
3. [7]IETF draft on MIME
4. [8]Thanks Raman
5. [9]Overdue Action Items
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Convene
<trackbot> Date: 27 January 2011
<scribe> scribenick: jar_
<scribe> scribe: Jonathan Rees
<noah> <li>Work with Tim to decide most effective next steps on his
<a
href="[11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437">ACTION
-437</a></li>
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437
noah: f2f agenda in preparation...
<johnk> I will have to leave at 2pm today, by the way
noah: Skipping item 2 of agenda, we'll deal with minutes at an
upcoming meeting
F2F agenda planning
ashok: I will send you (Noah) new client side state draft, and foils
for client side storage story, for people to read
noah: Please allow TAG members more time for readings requiring more
time to read
... consider accessibility issue regarding colors - how about using
CSS
johnk: have been working on security section, hope to have ready in
time for f2f
<NoahM> Work in progress agenda:
[12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/08-agenda.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/08-agenda.html
noah: I will talk you through it... it's very rough, has some stale
content
... DO NOT look at the part above the red box "chair's working notes
on ..." ...
... but please look at the bullet list following the red box - let's
review it
<NoahM> See only the section: Chair's working notes on the Agenda
<NoahM> Rest is old stuff or work-in-progress.
<johnk> yes, AWWW security is missing
action-478?
<trackbot> ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a first draft of a
finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree
from Oct. F2F Due: 2010-01-31 -- due 2011-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
noah: Need to add JohnK + security to list
action-417?
<trackbot> ACTION-417 -- John Kemp to frame section 7, security --
due 2011-01-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/417
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/417
noah: talk about the IETF Prague meeting at f2f?
masinter: don't think so
<NoahM> ACTION-511?
<trackbot> ACTION-511 -- Larry Masinter to send email framing TAG
work on registries -- due 2011-01-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/511
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/511
masinter: much of what's in the mime document is about registries
... how about let's invite philippe to talk about this
Noah: we meet with w3c team at lunch on tuesday
... the TAG is TEN
<NoahM> ACTION-381?
<trackbot> ACTION-381 -- Jonathan Rees to spend 2 hours helping Ian
with [16]http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/ -- due 2011-02-11 --
OPEN
[16] http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/381
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/381
Yves: re issue-58 we can talk about how to autogenerate the catalog
noah: Being a good teacher is hard, that's why action-381 is hard
<NoahM> JAR: I've been working on httpRange-14 in conjunction with
AWWSW. We can discuss it in the AWWSW slot.
noah: Noting request to put AWWSW and TDB near one another in
schedule.
IETF draft on MIME
not everyone up to speed
masinter: section 1 the web uses mime, section 2 history, 3 problems
... maybe i should combine 3 & 4
... they're trying to say what's wrong, why we have a problem
... section 5, what kinds of fixes could we apply? (without going
into specifics)
... that's the overall plan. there were other comments i got that i
didn't know what to do with
... differences were not significant or major
... procedurally better if we don't get everything in here perfect.
... I would like people to check to make sure that what I've said
makes sense
yves: HTML5 is calling for violation of rules stated in mime
registry; that is an issue
... fragments and mime types [?]
... need to find ways to document issues with already registered
mime types. not easy to do
masinter: Does the document explain the issues well enough? are the
proposed list of things to fix complete?
... I thought these things were mentioned in the draft. If not need
to fix
yves: polyglot. text vs. image. the case of SVG if labelled as
image/svg+xml or application/xml
masinter: things missing, or incorrect statements of problems /
fixes?
... Maybe it's close to being done for now.
... how about if we talk about it on a telcon after the f2f
<noah> ACTION-472 to be discussed in future telcon, with aim of
getting agreement to push forward..f2f time not needed.
ashok: It's a nicely written paper
... There were a couple things related to client side state work.
Many registrations don't describe semantics of fragids...
<Ashok> A possible solution is to amend the definition in the media
types that accept "active content" in them, like HTML and SVG, to
acknowledge the fact that fragments might also be used (if not in
contradiction with the 'static' use of those fragments) for
programmatic purposes.
ashok: and maybe registrations should say something about active
content?
... I didn't figure out where you came out on magic numbers -
against, for, useful in addition, what?
masinter: In many contexts all you have to go on is the magic
number. A heuristic that in many contexts is essential.
... There are situations where the mechanism of transmitting mime
types hasn't been effective.
... Need to be clearer on what they're for. The sniffing doc has
moved from being individual submission, to work item of security WG
... Need to think about authoritative metadata and sniffing
... sniffing isn't enough
... lots of confusion around language versions. sniffing doesn't
tell you which version
... collisions in magic-number-space
<johnk> sorry, I have to leave early today
noah: do we need to go into this detail here? sniffing seems like a
separate discussion
masinter: I want the doc to gather in one place all these related
problems
noah: servers should do the right thing, because ...
masinter: Want to increase the scope of the document
... include charsets, talk about context in which mime types are
used
... Doc can identify problems without solving them
raman: Talking about sniffing in this doc is unavoidable. you have
to.
<Zakim> NoahM, you wanted to talk about self-describing Web and
authoritative metadata
masinter: ready for detailed change suggestions; or new topics
noah: please lead the process that will lead to a decision to bless
<noah> ACTION-472?
<trackbot> ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft
based on comments & review -- due 2010-12-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
noah: I have reopened action-472
<noah> ACTION-472 Due 2011-03-01
<trackbot> ACTION-472 Update the mime-draft based on comments &
review due date now 2011-03-01
masinter: would like to get review from everyone, so they can agree
(or, agree without review)
<noah> ACTION-472 Due 2011-02-11
<trackbot> ACTION-472 Update the mime-draft based on comments &
review due date now 2011-02-11
masinter: would like to call for resolution at end of f2f
Thanks Raman
<noah> I would like to note that "as chair", I have thanked Raman
for his fine service and many contributions to the TAG.
all: (acclaim)
Overdue Action Items
<noah> ACTION-341?
<trackbot> ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about
security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-01-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
<noah> ACTION-341 2011-03-29
<noah> ACTION-341 Due 2011-03-29
<trackbot> ACTION-341 Follow up with Thomas about security review
activities for HTML5 due date now 2011-03-29
<noah> JAR: Anyone know if Web Apps working group is moving on
CORS/UMP?
<noah> LM: Web security working group at IETF is picking up some of
that from Web Apps at W3C
<Yves> [20]https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/websec/
[20] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/websec/
<noah> ACTION-471?
<trackbot> ACTION-471 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of
"Like SVG" Dist Extensibility Proposal for HTML5 -- due 2010-09-28
-- CLOSED
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/471
[21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/471
<noah> ACTION-417?
<trackbot> ACTION-417 -- John Kemp to frame section 7, security --
due 2011-01-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/417
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/417
<noah> 417 will be on the F2F agenda (not 471)
noah: Thursday call is on unless cancelled
ADJOURNED
Summary of Action Items
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