- From: Jonathan A Rees <rees@mumble.net>
- Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:29:50 +0000
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Draft minutes of the 1 December 2011 TAG teleconference are at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/01-minutes.html and in plain text below. - Jonathan ----------------------------------------------------------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 01 Dec 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Nov/0118.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc Attendees Present Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, DKA, Yves, JeniT, TimBL, Ashok_Malhotra, plinss, Noah_Mendelsohn, ht Regrets Chair Noah Mendelsohn Scribe Jonathan Rees Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Convene 2. [6]Administrative items 3. [7]Web Applications: Client-side state 4. [8]F2F Planning 5. [9]Polyglot last call 6. [10]Security 7. [11]Hyperlinks and copyright 8. [12]Pending review items * [13]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011 <scribe> scribenick: jar <scribe> scribe: Jonathan Rees Convene Note: incorrect regrets in agenda. Jonathan and Larry are both here regrets for 8 Dec: JAR and Henry doing workshop, DKA unavailable <Yves> Yves to scribe next week's meeting <JeniT> DKA: not here next week, will be following week regret: JAR for Dec 15 (at yet another workshop) RESOLUTION: Minutes of 17 Nov are approved [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes <ht> Sorry I'm late, just dialing in noah: Any word on nominees? Deadline was yesterday Administrative items ashok: No word yet. (agenda review) Web Applications: Client-side state ashok: Have not heard back re comments ... Comments were fairly small. Bjoern Hoehrmann and Jonathan Rees ... JAR asked for definitions of acronyms, and 2 other complaints, all addressed. <NoahM> Proposed RESOLUTION: The TAG approves publication of [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 <DKA> +1 <Yves> +1 <JeniT> +1 <timbl_> +1 jar: +1 <Larry> +1 <NoahM> RESOLUTION: The TAG approves publication of [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 noah: Just some editorial stuff left <NoahM> ACTION: Ashok, with help from Noah to publish [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ashok, <NoahM> ACTION: Ashok with help from Noah to publish [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 [20] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Created ACTION-634 - With help from Noah to publish [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-12-08]. [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 <NoahM> ACTION-597? <trackbot> ACTION-597 -- Ashok Malhotra to publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597 [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597 <NoahM> close ACTION-597 <trackbot> ACTION-597 Publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State closed <NoahM> ACTION-598? <trackbot> ACTION-598 -- Yves Lafon to publish as a note what had been the FPWD (Raman's draft) on client side state -- due 2012-01-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/598 [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/598 (discussion of closing out the rec track document first started by Raman, which was mooted by the new finding) noah: Yves please continue with 598 when he sees fit ... Yves please update the product page F2F Planning <NoahM> We'll go through list of TAG products: [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/ [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/ noah: Fragid work - goal of a completed finding in December. Maybe we changed the plan in Edinburgh ht: I won't get to any work until Jan [or so] noah: Note that HT says he believes producing a draft is something he and Peter will do, but it won't be ready for Jan F2F <NoahM> ACTION: Henry to update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [25] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Created ACTION-635 - Update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates [on Henry Thompson - due 2011-12-08]. noah: So probably not for F2F discussion, but we'll see <NoahM> Tentative conclusion, don't discuss this at F2F, unless Henry or Peter proposes a particular issue (continuing to go through list of product pages) <NoahM> URI Definition Discovery ? <NoahM> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/defininguris.html [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/defininguris.html <NoahM> JAR: Still on track for calling for change proposals, etc. by end of year. So we'll have something read noah: JAR please update product page <NoahM> MIME architecture for the Web ? <NoahM> 31 December 2011: Final TAG Report on MIME architecture, most likely in the form of a TAG Finding larry: The MIME work has separated into 2 pieces. use of MIME as a registry (extension param), feeding into action item related to registries in general. And what should the MIME [process] actually say <NoahM> ACTION-531? <trackbot> ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 <NoahM> We should add this action to the product page larry: action 531. That's a key part of how we do MIME. I'm closer now to having a draft ready for the F2F. noah: We're going for a finding - that's what we're talking about yes? ... i.e. what you're working on is the doc that the product page talks about? larry: will have drafts of both of those. <NoahM> We will have things to discuss in January. noah: Larry, can you this week propose product page updates, that would make the answers to my questions obvious? <NoahM> ACTION: Larry to update product page for Mime and the Web recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [28] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Created ACTION-636 - Update product page for Mime and the Web [on Larry Masinter - due 2011-12-08]. <NoahM> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/#active [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/#active <NoahM> API Minimization ? <NoahM> DKA: Hoping to do some work, and hand it off noah: Dan, what will become of API minimization? <NoahM> DKA: possibly newly elected members who replace me? (discussion of TAG election and appointments) <NoahM> DKA: A slot for minmization is likely a good thing noah: Updating arch pages? <NoahM> ACTION-609? <trackbot> ACTION-609 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft initial cut at [30]http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/identifiers -- due 2011-10-25 -- OPEN [30] http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/identifiers <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/609 [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/609 <NoahM> ACTION-610? <trackbot> ACTION-610 -- Jeni Tennison to draft initial cut at [32]http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/metaformats -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN [32] http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/metaformats <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/610 [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/610 <NoahM> ACTION-611? <trackbot> ACTION-611 -- Larry Masinter to draft initial cut at [34]http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/protocols -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN [34] http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/protocols <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/611 [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/611 <JeniT> I will do something for January <NoahM> Thank you! <NoahM> NM: Question is, can we get something substantial to discuss in January larry: I'll get together with Dan, and exchange email with Jeni <NoahM> NM: OK, so I'll plan to schedule a slot in January, form of input TBD <NoahM> No project page, but we do have: [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html NM: Privacy ? dka: Privacy project is not scoped <NoahM> Privacy is a maybe for F2F, Dan and Ashok to advise <NoahM> Persistence of Identifiers ? <NoahM> NM: Things to discuss <NoahM> HT: Think so, at least report from workshop ht: There will be a workshop report at least, which will include proposals NM: Client-side storage? <NoahM> ACTION-632? <trackbot> ACTION-632 -- Ashok Malhotra to frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/632 [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/632 <NoahM> ACTION-523 <NoahM> ACTION-523? <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-12-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 ashok: I need to talk to Art Barstow about this (storage) - may connect us with some help ... then decide how to go forward. Time at F2F for brief update would be good noah: This seems ready to gel. There was stuff to do but didn't have time ashok: I expect to have a couple of messages worked out noah: Relationship between caching and local storage, what happens to URIs, etc ... Microdata? jeni: By then there will be a document from the TF. F2F would be nice so we can go over it <NoahM> HTML.next <DKA> +1 to a html.next brainstorm <plinss> +1 noah: I was hoping to get background done in Dec <NoahM> ACTION: Noah to ask PLH to join us in Dec. to bring us up to speed on HTML.next, and also join in F2F discussion [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [39] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <Larry> we shouldn't discuss HTML.next without at least a briefing of current discussions and ideas, so that the TAG isn't working independently of the rest of the community on this topic. yves: I am working on http ssl hybi, stuff like that. We should be able to discuss that <NoahM> ACTION-618? [trackbot is AWOL] <NoahM> With help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... <NoahM> YL: Will have progress on ACTION-618 soon, should discuss at F2F. noah: The schedule is starting to look borderline too full Polyglot last call <NoahM> ACTION-560? <NoahM> Henry Thompson - Review HTML polyglot last call Due 2011-06-06 - Due: 2011-11-30 - PENDING REVIEW ht: There was a response to my email, saying HT didn't timbl: Does this make the issue bigger? [40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Nov/0120.html [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Nov/0120.html <NoahM> Reopening ACTION-560 ht: the spec says the prefixes aren't wrong/only says that prefixes are allowed, but doesn't offer any support for them/ <NoahM> ACTION-560? <trackbot> ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 Security <NoahM> ACTION-607? <trackbot> ACTION-607 -- Larry Masinter to find an appropriate way to make available [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html to the Web App Sec working group -- due 2011-09-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html <NoahM> "I went to the first F2F of the Web Application Security working group and asked them to accept the document as input, and to consider maintaining a roadmap of web application security issues, even those that they don't take up directly...I believe they agreed to take it on." larry: Haven't confirmed. ... I think we can move on <Larry> www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/ <Larry> [43]http://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/ lists it as an "Input Document" [43] http://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/ larry: it's listed as an input document on their home page. <NoahM> close ACTION-607 <NoahM> ACTION-607? <trackbot> ACTION-607 -- Larry Masinter to find an appropriate way to make available [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html to the Web App Sec working group -- due 2011-09-22 -- CLOSED [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/607 [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/607 Hyperlinks and copyright <NoahM> Proposal form Jeni for moving forward: [46]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2011Nov/0045.html [46] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2011Nov/0045.html jeni: Dan and I met last week re next steps before the F2F. ... Asked our experts for feedback; we'll meet in a week or two to go over it ... We'd like to do a long document as rec, supplemented with shorter, more opinionated pieces that highlight particular issues dka: This approach was in reaction to Rigo's TPAC comments ... but we really felt a doc with broad scope would be a good thing, and a necessary prerequisite for focussed pieces ... Haven't had much luck getting concrete promises from our experts... noah: Is it just Rigo, or do others feel as he does?... <NoahM> F2F discussion TBD <Larry> ask for public feedback? <Larry> ask AC members? if we're not getting feedback we need from a community, don't we have other ways of getting that, than private pleading? noah: I'll look for a F2F proposal for this topic in a couple of weeks ashok: I'm very positive on the short pieces idea, have Jeni & Dan thought about what those would be? <JeniT> [47]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2011Nov/0045.html [47] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2011Nov/0045.html <ht> +1 to working on public-facing messages at f2f ashok: A goal like, to have 4 pithy messages, would be good <NoahM> ACTION-541? <trackbot> ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 [48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 <NoahM> ACTION-541 Due 2011-12-20 <trackbot> ACTION-541 Helped by DKA to produce a first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. due date now 2011-12-20 Pending review items <NoahM> ACTION-576? <trackbot> ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially in 3023bis -- due 2011-10-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 [49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 <NoahM> ACTION-509? <trackbot> ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 [50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 <NoahM> NM: So, 509 and 576 are substantially the same? <NoahM> JAR: We can close 576, but there's more to be done on 509 <NoahM> close ACTION-576 <trackbot> ACTION-576 With help from Henry to figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially in 3023bis closed jeni: Volunteer to take on 509. <NoahM> Assigning ACTION-509 to Jeni and closing ACTION-576 <NoahM> close ACTION-576 <trackbot> ACTION-576 With help from Henry to figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially in 3023bis closed <NoahM> ACTION-509? <trackbot> ACTION-509 -- Jeni Tennison to communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due 2011-12-13 -- OPEN <trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 [51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 <NoahM> ACTION-623? <trackbot> ACTION-623 -- Larry Masinter to pull together plans for IETF<-> TAG coordination at TPAC -- due 2011-11-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/623 [52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/623 <NoahM> close ACTION-623 <trackbot> ACTION-623 Pull together plans for IETF<-> TAG coordination at TPAC closed <Larry> note there is now an IETF Application Area Directorate (of which Henry and I are members). (The Directorate was the review board) <Larry> [53]http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDi rectorate [53] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate <NoahM> ACTION: Yves to help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris Due: 2011-12-20 [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [54] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Created ACTION-638 - Help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris Due: 2011-12-20 [on Yves Lafon - due 2011-12-08]. <Larry> [55]http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2012.html#IETF83 [55] http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2012.html#IETF83 ADJOURNED <timbl_> Thank you everyone esp Noah for chairing <NoahM> Thank you Tim! <timbl_> The TAG election will probably run til Jan 9. Cf TAG F2F Jan 4-6 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ashok with help from Noah to publish [56]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [NEW] ACTION: Ashok, with help from Noah to publish [58]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111 130 as a TAG Finding [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [NEW] ACTION: Henry to update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates [recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [NEW] ACTION: Larry to update product page for Mime and the Web recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [NEW] ACTION: Noah to ask PLH to join us in Dec. to bring us up to speed on HTML.next, and also join in F2F discussion [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris Due: 2011-12-20 [recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc] [56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 [57] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111130 [59] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [60] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [61] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [62] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [63] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-tagmem-irc [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [64]scribe.perl version 1.135 ([65]CVS log) $Date: 2011/12/05 15:25:28 $ [64] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [65] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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