- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:11:52 -0500
- To: www-tag@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/11-tagmem-minutes.html Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 11 Jun 2009 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/11-tagmem-irc Attendees Present Raman, DanC, jar, Sam, noah, John_Kemp, Ht Regrets Ashok, Larry, Tim Chair noah Scribe DanC Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Convene, review agenda and records 2. [5]TagSoupIntegration-54 (ISSUE-54) and liaison with HTML working group 3. [6]F2F Agenda Planning 4. [7]Should the TAG look into architectural issues relating to APIs? 5. [8]ACTION item review 6. [9]next meeting * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 11 June 2009 Convene, review agenda and records <noah> Hi Sam, thank you for joining us. <rubys1> glad to be here NM welcomes Sam Ruby, reviews agenda NM: next week's telcon is at risk; no regrets now, though RESOLUTION: to approve [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/05/28-minutes [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/05/28-minutes TagSoupIntegration-54 (ISSUE-54) and liaison with HTML working group NM: clearly success of HTML specs in development is a high priority for W3C... ... evolution of HTML interacts with our issues on language versioning and error handling ... we've talked about RDFa some TVR: what news since the AC meeting; any news of your work with Steven P? SR: the work with Steven... we looked at RDFa as a test case... ... Ian Hickson took the RDFa requirements and produced something different ... I think the review of RDFa by the HTML WG has turned up technical issues... ... RDFa was designed in the context of XHTML, but it's deployed in text/html, and that raises issues... ... there are test cases and a spec being written (test cases? I try to keep an eye out for those. maybe I'll q+ to ask for pointers.) <ht_redmond> Browsers are not the only HTML-consuming application. . . NM: suppose this new spec depended on head/@profile but the editor of the main HTML 5 spec didn't specify @profile... SR: yes, that's somewhat likely... @profile works a certain way in browsers; that's not really an issue, operationally. The only operational issue is what validator should say <Zakim> ht_redmond, you wanted to ask about extensibility/namespaces <rubys1> I can hear Henry fine HT: ~1.5years ago, we discussed ARIA attributes in HTML 5... SR: yes, I recall... HT: it didn't work out as I would have liked, despite my spending a lot of energy... we seem to have aria_* attributes [or aria-* ] ... "extensibility is pretty much done" is one of the main arguments, especially from hsivonen. Where are we on that discussion? SR: I think hsivonen hasn't changed his position. I don't agree, but I don't see how to convince people such as hsivonen <Zakim> jrees, you wanted to say I want to understand html5 attitude to extension... agree with assessment "it's going to happen, how to channel it" [scribe missed what jar refers to re attributes] SR: [earlier] people use new attributes all the time... TVR: Chris Wilson seems to support extensibilty; he's moved away from the IE browser team... is he [doing something]? ... it seems to be that anyone who has a different opinion walks away. [scribe struggles to record the gist of TVR's comment and SR's response] NM: what sorts of extensibility mechanisms do you think are in play? SR: I think various extensions for things that people care about will happen, even without an overall mechanism. ARIA, fb: etc. <Zakim> noah, you wanted to ask more about particular extensibility mechanisms SR: I hope to see, if not help build, validators that have some helpful approach to extensibility NM: there's a self-describing sense to the web with a few registries (URI schemes, media types) and URI-based hooks... it looks like that's being lost with this free-for-all of fb: and aria-* SR: I think it's worth encouraging a few other vocabularies before building the extensibility bridge NM: but doesn't that risk 3 or 4 mechanisms that we have to support? TVR: yes, that does look like a risk <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to add the palm pre stuff to the list [12]http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/02/palm_webos_approach_to_html_ex.html [12] http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/02/palm_webos_approach_to_html_ex.html <div x-mojo-element="ToggleButton" <jrees> original question was how can tag be helpful. no answer? <jrees> so does the html5 wg need to know anything? TVR: I hear that unification efforts winding down and polarization remaining; this seems that there's little opportunity for the TAG to make a difference in the coming months NM: we'd have to show people something they don't know. "we're the tag and we think X" doesn't help much <Zakim> ht_redmond, you wanted to ask about the AC meeting question: managing the namespace, who's on top? NM: thanks for coming, Sam; if there's anything we can do to catalyze things, please let us know F2F Agenda Planning <noah> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda NM: one constraint I'm working with is that TVR is only available to dial in in our afternoons ... major goals of the meeting are * work on client-side URL patterns [?] and * versioning <johnk__> +1, agenda looks ok to me too ACTION-33 due next week <trackbot> ACTION-33 revise naming challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion due date now next week NM: note people identified as shepherds for sessions Should the TAG look into architectural issues relating to APIs? ACTION-273? <trackbot> ACTION-273 -- Ashok Malhotra to carry forward framing issues around Archicture of APIs, with help from JK and LM -- due 2009-06-04 -- OPEN <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/273 [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/273 JK: AM and LM and I talked about this and drafted something... ... trying to frame the issue... ACTION item review action-255? <trackbot> ACTION-255 -- John Kemp to contact Sam to ask (a) how can the TAG be helpful (b) offer set up phone call involving Sam & 1 or 2 others -- due 2009-05-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/255 [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/255 close ation-255 close action-255 <trackbot> ACTION-255 Contact Sam to ask (a) how can the TAG be helpful (b) offer set up phone call involving Sam & 1 or 2 others closed [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0013.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0013.html <noah> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0028.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0028.html <noah> [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0013.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0013.html <noah> [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet.html [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet.html NM: maybe the "when to use get" finding should be updated to deal with malicious actors? ACTION-255: the tag considered updating the "when to use get" finding but didn't find a critical mass of interest <trackbot> ACTION-255 Contact Sam to ask (a) how can the TAG be helpful (b) offer set up phone call involving Sam & 1 or 2 others notes added close action-255 <trackbot> ACTION-255 Contact Sam to ask (a) how can the TAG be helpful (b) offer set up phone call involving Sam & 1 or 2 others closed ACTION-257? <trackbot> ACTION-257 -- Noah Mendelsohn to invite Mark Not or Lisa D to revisit progress in IETF/HTML liaison on content sniffing -- due 2009-05-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/257 [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/257 ACTION-264 due july 11 <trackbot> ACTION-264 Draft agenda item for upcoming telcon discussion of geolocation and privacy due date now july 11 close ACTION-270 <trackbot> ACTION-270 Provide additional material for review at F2F for Issue 41 closed action-270? <trackbot> ACTION-270 -- Larry Masinter to provide additional material for review at F2F for Issue 41 -- due 2009-06-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/270 [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/270 ACTION-272 due 15 June <trackbot> ACTION-272 Report back to the TAG on outcome of collaboration with LM on Versioning due date now 15 June ACTION-273 due 15 June <trackbot> ACTION-273 Carry forward framing issues around Archicture of APIs, with help from JK and LM due date now 15 June next meeting RESOLUTION: to cancel the TAG telcon of 18 June Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [22]scribe.perl version 1.134 ([23]CVS log) $Date: 2009/06/11 22:09:08 $ [22] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [23] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
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