- From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:48:27 -0500
- To: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- Cc: "Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
At 2:58 PM -0400 3/31/08, Jonathan Rees wrote:
>On Mar 31, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) wrote:
>[...]
>>Is the answer not evident from the references is Felix Sasaki's response?
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Mar/0136
>>A "latest version" URI, which identifies the most recently
>>published draft in a document series.
>>>
>
>
>No. Nothing tells me anything about *which* document series is involved,
er... the one all of whose drafts have the same title?
>or provides me with any invariants over the elements of the series,
>or tells me the process by which new drafts are produced, or even
>what the past drafts were.
You can trace this through the 'previous version' links. In fact,
that might be the best way to define such a series: go to the latest
version, then iterate back through the previous versions.
>So not only do I not know what the named entity *is*, I don't know
>much about it. There's little I can say about it that will be
>understood by someone reading what I say at an unknown future time.
>I don't know who is going to have written whatever the "most
>recently published draft" will be at the time my statements about it
>are read, or what the draft will be saying, or even what the draft
>will be about. The URI might be useful heuristically as a hyperlink
>("see xxx to see a most recently published draft of the zzz working
>group's spec... probably") but I don't see how it's useful as a name
>to be used in discourse (e.g. RDF).
Well, we can make some assertions about it, such as that its a W3C TR
'draft series', and it was begun on a certain date, and its the
product of a certain WG, and so on.
>
>If I do some detective work I may be able to figure out invariants
>such as the series's subject matter or working group affiliation
>(and the WG's charter), and if I do a *lot* of detective work I
>might find some piece of email or some minutes that say how the URI
>is going to be used, but before I get to that point I will have
>decided that it's not worth the effort to try to use or understand
>that URI.
Why is this URi any worse in this respect than, say, the URI which
identifies the Working Group itself?
>If I'm unfortunate enough to find that someone else has used it in
>communication with me, then I'll have to make assumptions (e.g. that
>the draft they were talking about is close enough to the one I see)
>or enter into dialog with them (which draft are you talking about?
>or what invariants do you know about the series that I don't know?)
>or attempt to verify what they say (since it is probably very easy
>to be wrong in making statements about things like this).
You seem (?) to be presuming that one can make useful assertions only
about actual documents, but I don't see the rationale for this
assumption.
Pat
>
>Jonathan
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