- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:04:03 -0400
- To: "Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>
- Cc: www-tag@w3.org
Stuart Williams wrote (in the draft agenda):
> 2. Recommended readings
>
> * Draft TAG Finding on "[32]The Self-Describing Web"
The draft that's posted as of today is [1], which is the draft of 24 May.
We did discuss this some at the Google F2F, although few TAG members had
read it before the meeting. I want to remind everyone that I suggested
I'd be trying to get a new draft together this week, and it's still my
hope to do so. I'd say the chances are 60/40.
So, you probably don't want to read the draft at [1], as there's a good
chance it will be replaced. If I should fail in the effort to redraft
then I leave it to the chair as to whether it's worth any more F2F time,
since I'm not sure there will be any "news", except insofar as some of the
TAG members who didn't read [1] last time may choose to do so now.
Anyway, I'm traveling starting Sunday night, and am hoping to get
something posted before I leave, which would give everyone a week to read
it. Shouldn't be very long, in fact, one of the comments I received in
June was to cut out some of the discussion at the beginning, so it should
get a bit shorter.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2007-05-24.html
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"Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>
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09/04/2007 12:42 PM
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cc: (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM)
Subject: Draft Agenda for TAG F2F 17-19th September 2007 at
University of Southampton
A draft of the agenda for the upcomming TAG F2F meeting, 17-19th
September, in Southampton is available for review at:
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-agenda
and as text below.
Regards
Stuart Williams
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TAG face-to-face meeting, 17-19th September 2007,
University of Southampton, UK.
Nearby: [3]TAG Issues Tracker - [4]findings - [5]www-tag archive -
[6]tag archive
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
Meeting at a glance
Mon 17th Sep Agenda
09:00-10:30 [7]Convene
[8]HttpRedirections-57 and Semantic Web Architecture
11:00-12:30
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00 [9]TagSoupIntegration-54: Distributed Extensibility
15:30-17:00 [10]XMLVersioning-41
Tue 18th Sep
09:00-10:30 [11]Planning and Review
11:00-12:30 Progress on Issues
* [12]namespaceDocument-8
* [13]xmlFunctions-34
* [14]URNsAndRegistries-50
* [15]selfDescribingWeb
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00 [16]Web Architecture and Web 2.0
[17]Fragment Identifiers (scripted)
[18]TagSoupIntegration-54
15:30-17:00
Wed 19th Sep
09:00-10:30
11:00-12:30
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00
Logistics
(also separate [19]Logistics page)
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-logistics.html
2. Recommended readings
* [20]TAG Charter
* [21]Webarch
* Draft TAG Finding [22]Dereferencing HTTP URIs
* Extending and Versioning Languages: Draft TAG Findings:
+ [23]Terminology
+ [24]Strategies
+ [25]XML Languages
* Sam Ruby [26]article on Distributed Extensibility
* Draft TAG Finding on "[27]URNs, Namespaces and Registries"
* [28]HTTP URIs are Expensive ESW Wiki Page (relevant to
[29]URNsAndRegistries-50)
* TimBL DesignIssues Note: "[30]The Interpretation of XML
documents"
* Draft TAG Finding on "[31]The elaborated infoset: A proposal"
* Draft TAG Finding on "[32]The Self-Describing Web"
_________________________________________________________
[20] http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-tag-charter.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/2007-08-31/HttpRange-14
[23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml
[26]
http://intertwingly.net/blog/2007/08/02/HTML5-and-Distributed-Extensibil
ity
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50
[28] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[30] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments
Agenda
Convene and Agenda Review (<30min)
1. Convene: take roll, review and agree agenda
2. Regrets: DaveO, Raman
3. Appoint: scribes for the three days
Approve: minutes from 13th September 2007
_________________________________________________________
F2F Planning
* Review proposal to host 2008 F2F meetings (at least the first
after the TAG election)
_________________________________________________________
[33]HttpRedirections-57 and Semantic Web Architecture (ISSUE-57)
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
* Related Actions Items:
+ [34]ACTION-43 on Tim Berners-Lee to Find the paper that he
annotated on the plane (and transcribe comments on "Cool
URIs for the Semantic Web"). - due 2007-09-06, open
* Review of Draft finding:
+ Resources and the 'Web Presence' Label (see [35]dbooth,
[36]fielding)
o denotation, referents and access
o between http:resource and webarch:resource
+ HTTP Response Codes ([37]David Booth)
o are the description sections dangerous redefinitions
of the HTTP spec?
+ Hash URIs Problematic ([38]David Booth)
o any approach based on hash URIs is architecturally
flawed
+ AWWW Definition of Information Resources Flawed (from
[39]David Booth)
o also, URIs that are information sinks
+ Definition of the Web ([40]Roy Fielding)
o Roy's definition vs the one in AWWW
+ URI Declarations ([41]David Booth)
o David's notion of URI declaration
* Terminology
+ Identity, Access and Reference
o Repeated [42]complaints (to cite but one) and
sustained about use of terminology in [43]AWWW
o [44]Thread initiated by Henry seeking to build
concensus
_________________________________________________________
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/4
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0179
[43] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0021
[45]TagSoupIntegration-54 (ISSUE-54)
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
* Related Actions Items:
+ [46]ACTION-7 on Dan Connolly to Work with Olivier and Tim
to draft a position regarding extensibility of HTML and the
role of the validator for consideration by the TAG - due
2007-09-06, open
+ [47]ACTION-19 on T.V. Raman to Update the tag soup document
with the discussion thru 20 Aug 2007 - due 2007-08-27, open
+ [48]ACTION-42 on Stuart Williams to Check with Dan - due
2007-09-06, open
* Distributed Extensibility
+ HTML5, uFormats
+ Extensibility and Versioning Findings: Do they have his
covered?
+ As a Tech Plenary Topic: How would we structure a session?
* [49]Topic List
+ Care and Maintenance?
+ Checklist or Agenda (or both)?
_________________________________________________________
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/7
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/19
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/42
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/tag-soup-integration
[50]XMLVersioning-41 (ISSUE-41)
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/41
* Related Actions Items:
+ [51]ACTION-4 on Dan Connolly to Review definitions of
partial understanding, backward compatible, and forward
compatible - due 2007-09-06, pending review
+ [52]ACTION-15 on Henry S. Thompson to Review XHTML
Modularization
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705
/) - due 2007-09-10, open
+ [53]ACTION-16 on David Orchard to Incorporate the NVDL text
into the findings. - due 2007-08-27, open
+ [54]ACTION-27 on Dan Connolly to ask Mimasa and Mark
Birbeck about feasability of using substitution groups in
XHTML modularization, cc public-xml-versioning - due
2007-09-06, pending review
+ [55]ACTION-28 on Noah Mendelsohn to draft a blog item for
review and, pending creation of a TAG blog mechanism, post
it. - due 2007-08-30, open
+ [56]ACTION-35 on Stuart Williams to complete review of
terminology section of of 4 July versioning draft - due
2007-08-24, open
+ [57]ACTION-38 on Norman Walsh to review the XML part again
- due 2007-09-17, open
* Discuss Reviews of Draft Findings from:
+ Stuart (terminology) [58]ACTION-35)
+ ???? (Strategies)
+ Norm (XML Languages) ([59]ACTION-38)
* Defined and Accept Sets: is the model working/useful?
* Publication Strategy
_________________________________________________________
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/4
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/15
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/16
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/27
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/28
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38
Planning and Review
* What are we doing well (and should aim to continue doing well)?
* What are the 1-3 most important things that we should aim to
improve in 2008?
* W3C process requirements - heartbeats, status reports...
* In [60]June we expressed some ambitions to start to work on:
+ Semantic Web Architecture
+ Web 2.0 and Web Architecture
Do we have objectives in this area that we want the AC to be
aware of?
_________________________________________________________
[60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-agenda
[61]namespaceDocument-8 (ISSUE-8)
[61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/8
* Related Actions Items:
+ [62]ACTION-21 on Norman Walsh to Provide a set of test
cases of ways in which RDDL is actually used
+ [63]ACTION-22 on Dan Connolly to Start an ontology
including docns/documentElementNamespace.
+ [64]ACTION-23 on Henry S. Thompson to track progress of
#int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the
XML Schema WG
* Norm is [65]stymied! How do we move forward?
* Recapitulation on what the issue actually is?
_________________________________________________________
[62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/21
[63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/22
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23
[65] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0040
[66]xmlFunctions-34 (and ElaboratedInfosets) (ISSUE-34)
[66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34
* Related Actions Items:
+ [67]ACTION-25 on T.V. Raman to summarize history of
DTD/namespace/mimetype version practice, including XHTML,
SOAP, and XSLT. - due 2007-08-24, open
+ [68]ACTION-26 on Henry S. Thompson to Henry to prepare new
draft of xmlFunctions-34 - due 2007-09-06, open
* Current draft [69]The elaborated infoset: A proposal
* TimBL DesignIssues Note: "[70]The Interpretation of XML
documents"
* Status Update - Henry and Tim
_________________________________________________________
[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/26
[69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset
[70] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML
[71]URNsAndRegistries-50(ISSUE-50)
[71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
* Related Actions Items:
+ [72]ACTION-32 on David Orchard to explore the space of
external registries and to post to the tag member list -
due 2007-08-24, pending review
+ [73]ACTION-33 on Henry S. Thompson to revise
URNsAndRegistries-50 finding in response to F2F discussion
- due 2007-09-06, open
* Current [74]Draft Finding
* Status Update - Henry
* [75]Feedback from Chimezie Ogbuji
* Counter argument at "[76]HTTP URIs are Expensive" ESW Wiki Page
_________________________________________________________
[72] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0030
[76] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive
Self Describing Web
* Related Actions Items:
+ [77]ACTION-30 on Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing
Web finding in response to 2007-07 F2F discussion
* Current [78]Draft finding
* Status Update - Noah
_________________________________________________________
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments
Web 2.0 and Web Architecture
* Interaction and State - Representations bearing Interaction
Behaviour (AJAX/Scripts)
+ Is this covered by WebArch as it is?
+ Do we need extensions or changes? If so... what?
* Other facets of Web 2.0 that may 'stress' Web Architecture?
+ Client Script handling of Frag Ids (see thread started by
[79]Raman
+ uFormats, RDF/a and the Semantic Web
_________________________________________________________
[79] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0148
Wrapup/Other Business
* TAG@TPAC - November (see also [80]Distributed Extensibility,
[81]URNsAndRegistries-50, [82]Web 2.0 and WebArch)
_________________________________________________________
Stuart Williams for TAG
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