- From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) <skw@hp.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:42:49 +0100
- To: <www-tag@w3.org>
A draft of the agenda for the upcomming TAG F2F meeting, 17-19th
September, in Southampton is available for review at:
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-agenda
and as text below.
Regards
Stuart Williams
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TAG face-to-face meeting, 17-19th September 2007,
University of Southampton, UK.
Nearby: [3]TAG Issues Tracker - [4]findings - [5]www-tag archive -
[6]tag archive
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
Meeting at a glance
Mon 17th Sep Agenda
09:00-10:30 [7]Convene
[8]HttpRedirections-57 and Semantic Web Architecture
11:00-12:30
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00 [9]TagSoupIntegration-54: Distributed Extensibility
15:30-17:00 [10]XMLVersioning-41
Tue 18th Sep
09:00-10:30 [11]Planning and Review
11:00-12:30 Progress on Issues
* [12]namespaceDocument-8
* [13]xmlFunctions-34
* [14]URNsAndRegistries-50
* [15]selfDescribingWeb
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00 [16]Web Architecture and Web 2.0
[17]Fragment Identifiers (scripted)
[18]TagSoupIntegration-54
15:30-17:00
Wed 19th Sep
09:00-10:30
11:00-12:30
12:30-13:30 Lunch
13:30-15:00
Logistics
(also separate [19]Logistics page)
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-logistics.html
2. Recommended readings
* [20]TAG Charter
* [21]Webarch
* Draft TAG Finding [22]Dereferencing HTTP URIs
* Extending and Versioning Languages: Draft TAG Findings:
+ [23]Terminology
+ [24]Strategies
+ [25]XML Languages
* Sam Ruby [26]article on Distributed Extensibility
* Draft TAG Finding on "[27]URNs, Namespaces and Registries"
* [28]HTTP URIs are Expensive ESW Wiki Page (relevant to
[29]URNsAndRegistries-50)
* TimBL DesignIssues Note: "[30]The Interpretation of XML
documents"
* Draft TAG Finding on "[31]The elaborated infoset: A proposal"
* Draft TAG Finding on "[32]The Self-Describing Web"
_________________________________________________________
[20] http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-tag-charter.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/2007-08-31/HttpRange-14
[23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml
[26]
http://intertwingly.net/blog/2007/08/02/HTML5-and-Distributed-Extensibil
ity
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50
[28] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[30] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments
Agenda
Convene and Agenda Review (<30min)
1. Convene: take roll, review and agree agenda
2. Regrets: DaveO, Raman
3. Appoint: scribes for the three days
Approve: minutes from 13th September 2007
_________________________________________________________
F2F Planning
* Review proposal to host 2008 F2F meetings (at least the first
after the TAG election)
_________________________________________________________
[33]HttpRedirections-57 and Semantic Web Architecture (ISSUE-57)
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
* Related Actions Items:
+ [34]ACTION-43 on Tim Berners-Lee to Find the paper that he
annotated on the plane (and transcribe comments on "Cool
URIs for the Semantic Web"). - due 2007-09-06, open
* Review of Draft finding:
+ Resources and the 'Web Presence' Label (see [35]dbooth,
[36]fielding)
o denotation, referents and access
o between http:resource and webarch:resource
+ HTTP Response Codes ([37]David Booth)
o are the description sections dangerous redefinitions
of the HTTP spec?
+ Hash URIs Problematic ([38]David Booth)
o any approach based on hash URIs is architecturally
flawed
+ AWWW Definition of Information Resources Flawed (from
[39]David Booth)
o also, URIs that are information sinks
+ Definition of the Web ([40]Roy Fielding)
o Roy's definition vs the one in AWWW
+ URI Declarations ([41]David Booth)
o David's notion of URI declaration
* Terminology
+ Identity, Access and Reference
o Repeated [42]complaints (to cite but one) and
sustained about use of terminology in [43]AWWW
o [44]Thread initiated by Henry seeking to build
concensus
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[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/4
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0179
[43] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0021
[45]TagSoupIntegration-54 (ISSUE-54)
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
* Related Actions Items:
+ [46]ACTION-7 on Dan Connolly to Work with Olivier and Tim
to draft a position regarding extensibility of HTML and the
role of the validator for consideration by the TAG - due
2007-09-06, open
+ [47]ACTION-19 on T.V. Raman to Update the tag soup document
with the discussion thru 20 Aug 2007 - due 2007-08-27, open
+ [48]ACTION-42 on Stuart Williams to Check with Dan - due
2007-09-06, open
* Distributed Extensibility
+ HTML5, uFormats
+ Extensibility and Versioning Findings: Do they have his
covered?
+ As a Tech Plenary Topic: How would we structure a session?
* [49]Topic List
+ Care and Maintenance?
+ Checklist or Agenda (or both)?
_________________________________________________________
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/7
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/19
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/42
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/tag-soup-integration
[50]XMLVersioning-41 (ISSUE-41)
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/41
* Related Actions Items:
+ [51]ACTION-4 on Dan Connolly to Review definitions of
partial understanding, backward compatible, and forward
compatible - due 2007-09-06, pending review
+ [52]ACTION-15 on Henry S. Thompson to Review XHTML
Modularization
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705
/) - due 2007-09-10, open
+ [53]ACTION-16 on David Orchard to Incorporate the NVDL text
into the findings. - due 2007-08-27, open
+ [54]ACTION-27 on Dan Connolly to ask Mimasa and Mark
Birbeck about feasability of using substitution groups in
XHTML modularization, cc public-xml-versioning - due
2007-09-06, pending review
+ [55]ACTION-28 on Noah Mendelsohn to draft a blog item for
review and, pending creation of a TAG blog mechanism, post
it. - due 2007-08-30, open
+ [56]ACTION-35 on Stuart Williams to complete review of
terminology section of of 4 July versioning draft - due
2007-08-24, open
+ [57]ACTION-38 on Norman Walsh to review the XML part again
- due 2007-09-17, open
* Discuss Reviews of Draft Findings from:
+ Stuart (terminology) [58]ACTION-35)
+ ???? (Strategies)
+ Norm (XML Languages) ([59]ACTION-38)
* Defined and Accept Sets: is the model working/useful?
* Publication Strategy
_________________________________________________________
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/4
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/15
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/16
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/27
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/28
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38
Planning and Review
* What are we doing well (and should aim to continue doing well)?
* What are the 1-3 most important things that we should aim to
improve in 2008?
* W3C process requirements - heartbeats, status reports...
* In [60]June we expressed some ambitions to start to work on:
+ Semantic Web Architecture
+ Web 2.0 and Web Architecture
Do we have objectives in this area that we want the AC to be
aware of?
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[60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/09/17-agenda
[61]namespaceDocument-8 (ISSUE-8)
[61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/8
* Related Actions Items:
+ [62]ACTION-21 on Norman Walsh to Provide a set of test
cases of ways in which RDDL is actually used
+ [63]ACTION-22 on Dan Connolly to Start an ontology
including docns/documentElementNamespace.
+ [64]ACTION-23 on Henry S. Thompson to track progress of
#int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the
XML Schema WG
* Norm is [65]stymied! How do we move forward?
* Recapitulation on what the issue actually is?
_________________________________________________________
[62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/21
[63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/22
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23
[65] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0040
[66]xmlFunctions-34 (and ElaboratedInfosets) (ISSUE-34)
[66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34
* Related Actions Items:
+ [67]ACTION-25 on T.V. Raman to summarize history of
DTD/namespace/mimetype version practice, including XHTML,
SOAP, and XSLT. - due 2007-08-24, open
+ [68]ACTION-26 on Henry S. Thompson to Henry to prepare new
draft of xmlFunctions-34 - due 2007-09-06, open
* Current draft [69]The elaborated infoset: A proposal
* TimBL DesignIssues Note: "[70]The Interpretation of XML
documents"
* Status Update - Henry and Tim
_________________________________________________________
[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/26
[69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset
[70] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML
[71]URNsAndRegistries-50(ISSUE-50)
[71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
* Related Actions Items:
+ [72]ACTION-32 on David Orchard to explore the space of
external registries and to post to the tag member list -
due 2007-08-24, pending review
+ [73]ACTION-33 on Henry S. Thompson to revise
URNsAndRegistries-50 finding in response to F2F discussion
- due 2007-09-06, open
* Current [74]Draft Finding
* Status Update - Henry
* [75]Feedback from Chimezie Ogbuji
* Counter argument at "[76]HTTP URIs are Expensive" ESW Wiki Page
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[72] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0030
[76] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive
Self Describing Web
* Related Actions Items:
+ [77]ACTION-30 on Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing
Web finding in response to 2007-07 F2F discussion
* Current [78]Draft finding
* Status Update - Noah
_________________________________________________________
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments
Web 2.0 and Web Architecture
* Interaction and State - Representations bearing Interaction
Behaviour (AJAX/Scripts)
+ Is this covered by WebArch as it is?
+ Do we need extensions or changes? If so... what?
* Other facets of Web 2.0 that may 'stress' Web Architecture?
+ Client Script handling of Frag Ids (see thread started by
[79]Raman
+ uFormats, RDF/a and the Semantic Web
_________________________________________________________
[79] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0148
Wrapup/Other Business
* TAG@TPAC - November (see also [80]Distributed Extensibility,
[81]URNsAndRegistries-50, [82]Web 2.0 and WebArch)
_________________________________________________________
Stuart Williams for TAG
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