- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:35:36 -0500
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TAG Weekly
21 May 2007
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
TimBL, Stuart, Ht, Raman, DanC, noah, Norm
Regrets
dorchard, rhys
Chair
SKW
Scribe
DanC
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Administrative (Convene, review records and agenda)
2. [5]May F2F Preparation
3. [6]NamespaceState-48
4. [7]XMLVersioning-41
5. [8]XTech debrief
6. [9]WWW2007 debrief
7. [10]issue namespaceDocument-8
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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Administrative (Convene, review records and agenda)
<DanC_> [12]minutes 14 May
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: to approve minutes 14 May
RESOLUTION: our Next Telcon is 11th June -- scribe: Raman.
re Check on Rhys' write access to TAG space - has that been
resolved? ... SKW and DC did a bit about that.
May F2F Preparation
TVR gives some logistics advice...
TBL: I'll be joining the rest of you a bit later on the 1st morning
<DanC_> [13]agenda of Mountain View meeting
[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/29-agenda
HT: re 5 to 6pm, I doubt it.
DC: as scribing over breakfast is challenging, pls move
administrative stuff elsewhere
SKW: purpose and direction might include our web presence
HT: purpose and direction seems like a good use of time, but better
later in the meeting
<Zakim> noah, you wanted to ask about putting all of versioning
together
NM: re versioning... how about moving some of it to day 1, to let it
percolate
<DanC_> (mild preference for moving some versioning as NM suggests)
SKW: DanC, you asked for "HTML Design Principles and Web
Architecture", what's the/a goal? do you want to lead it?
DanC: I'm not sure whether those design principles are increasing or
decreasing in importance
HT: if there's no other place to ask whether /TR/webarch/ is too
strong in its position on version identification, then we need this
NM, TVR added some that the scribe missed; the chair seemed content
to move on... scribe hopes this record has what everybody needs.
NM: there's enough diversity of opinion that it might be worth
having a level-setting session
DC: I'm inclined to have the level-setting happen as an executive
decision rather than discussing it as a group
SKW: I'm inclined to discuss tactics as a group
SKW collects further advice on the ftf agenda; updates to appear
NamespaceState-48
SKW: we published a /TR/ over a year ago...
... there's some interaction with patent policy mechanics
<timbl> which doc?
<Stuart> [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/namespaceState/
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/namespaceState/
<DanC_> [15]The Disposition of Names in an XML Namespace
[15] http://www.w3.org/TR/namespaceState/
DanC: I suggest end-of-life-ing it as a WG Note
SKW: how does one do that?
DanC: just write a new status-of-this-document and ask the webmaster
<scribe> ACTION: SKW to discuss with NDW moving /TR/namespaceState/
to WG Note [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action01
XMLVersioning-41
SKW: so we have an update from DO, in 3 parts
<scribe> ACTION: DanC Review definitions of partial understanding,
backward compatible, and forward compatible. [CONTINUES] [recorded
in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action02
DanC: I'm disappointed that the document is going in the opposite of
the direction I advised, which was to integrate the definitions into
the material so that they're motivated
<Stuart> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#XMLVersioning-41
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#XMLVersioning-41
NM: I sent some comments on previous drafts [a pointer would be
nifty]. Some of my comments have been addressed, some not. I'm
interested in views from others.
SKW: I plan to [missed]
<scribe> ACTION: HT to extend his paper (around Vancouver) to a
definition of monotonicity and its relevance to our versioning
finding. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action03
HT: I don't expect to make progress before this coming ftf meeting
SKW: re "ACTION NDW: Produce some information about NVDL for the
finding." ... what's NVDL?
HT: NVDL is a standard in progress in ISO... multiple namespace ...
<scribe> (in progress?)
<scribe> ACTION: NDW to Produce some information about NVDL for the
finding. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action04]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: HT to unearth thread in which he and Robin Berjon
discussed XML versioning [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action05]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action05
<scribe> ACTION: DO to produce revised Versioning-part1 and
Versioning-XML for May 18th [DONE] [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action06]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action06
XTech debrief
SKW: just HT from the TAG went to this conference?
HT: yes. XTech has some history in SGML Europe, XML Europe. Edd
Dumbill (sp?) has moved the "center of gravity" to web
2.0/browsers/etc.
... ~200 attendees
... tracks were: core technologies (least attended), browsers, open
data (most attended), and one other
... Dave Beckett gave a very good talk on non-XML text formats.
... he had some very trenchant [?] criticisms of them
... YAML spec, which was aimed at being simpler than XML, is now 3x
as long
... I went to Henri S.'s talk on conformance checking HTML 5...
... follow-up discussion... "you've written this cool checker based
on grammars and such; how about getting the WG to adapt these
grammars?"
... to which the response was [something like] "but then there would
be a risk of conflicting definitions of the language" and such
... I had a good discussion with Anne, who's doing a thesis on an
HTML5 processor... I just had a "making HTML tag soup declarative"
paper accepted; so we agreed to exchange notes
NM: a colleague of mine is working on Operator, a firefox extension
that handled calendar/contact microformats. EliasT announced, at
XTech, support in Operator for RDFa too.
<timbl> What about a RDF/XML , or an GRDDL plugin for Operator?
WWW2007 debrief
<DanC_> [23]Linked Data at WWW2007: GRDDL, SPARQL, and Wikipedia, oh
my!
[23] http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/194
SKW sorta adjourned the meeting, or at least excused those who wish
to go... so scribing here is light
<Stuart> well I sorta suggested that we might, but I didn't actually
call "adjourned" and folks seemed to stay.
issue namespaceDocument-8
NDW: so picking up from previous ftf...
. Subject: Describing the "nature" of a resource Date: Wed, 16 May
2007 16:37:58 -0400
NDW: Dan, did you follow?
DanC: well, sorta... but the direction is different from what I was
interested to see; I'm interested to start from extant RDDL
documents and see what they're trying to do. e.g. how does someone
exploit "... rddl:nature HTML4"?
NDW: that's a different approach
<Stuart> N3 and RDF/XML content negotiated?
SKW: I'm a little lost... I picked up on a tangent about resources
and representations
TBL: can we look at this as generic resources? is there the case of
RNG and XSD schemas that convey the same information? they have
different natures?
NDW: yes, e.g. docbook.rng vs docbook.xsd
TBL: these are resources that typically have just one
representation.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: SKW to discuss with NDW moving /TR/namespaceState/ to
WG Note [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action01
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC Review definitions of partial understanding,
backward compatible, and forward compatible. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: HT to extend his paper (around Vancouver) to a
definition of monotonicity and its relevance to our versioning
finding. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: HT to unearth thread in which he and Robin Berjon
discussed XML versioning [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: NDW to Produce some information about NVDL for the
finding. [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action04]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action02
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action03
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action05
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action04
[DONE] ACTION: DO to produce revised Versioning-part1 and
Versioning-XML for May 18th [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action06]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes.html#action06
[End of minutes]
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