- From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:16:10 -0800
- To: Mikael Nilsson <mikael@nilsson.name>
- Cc: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com, "Sean B. Palmer" <sean@miscoranda.com>, www-tag@w3.org
>On tis, 2007-12-18 at 01:58 -0800, Pat Hayes wrote: >> There is no such thing, I suggest, as >> a webarch:representation of an RDF graph, just as >> there is no such thing as one of the number zero >> or the fourth moon of Jupiter. > > >If I can't faithfully represent the number 0 using a message, I don't >know of anything I can faithfully represent. Which is why I think the 'faithfully represent' criterion is incorrect. I think it was meant to capture a case like the HTML case, where what is transmitted is pretty much an exact copy of the resource itself, but to be generalized to cases like scripted HTML, a reduced image, a webcam or a clock, etc.. ; but that cases like numbers and RDF graphs are in fact counterexamples which show that the criterion as stated isn't in fact adequate to capture the intended intuitions. Certainly a number is *not* something that can be rationally thought of as being at the end of an HTTP protocol, or that can have operations performed on it by a POST. Pat >/Mikael > >> >> Pat >> >> > >> >/Mikael >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Compare sending a numeral in some text, using some >> >> numerical convention, vs. sending an actual number. Maybe if >> >> 'lossless' is the sole criterion, then numbers are IRs also, since >> >> the literal "123"^^xsd:number seems to be an encoding of the number >> >> one hundred and twenty three with perfect fidelity. But I'm betting >> >> that this isn't what was originally intended by the IR idea. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >-- >> ><mikael@nilsson.name> >> > >> >Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose >> >> >> -- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home >> 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office >> Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax >> FL 32502 (850)291 0667 cell >> phayesAT-SIGNihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes >> >> >> >-- ><mikael@nilsson.name> > >Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax FL 32502 (850)291 0667 cell phayesAT-SIGNihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes
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