- From: Schleiff, Marty <marty.schleiff@boeing.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:08:52 -0700
- To: "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>, <www-tag@w3.org>
Hi Dan (& All),
Dan, thanks for the nice minutes.
Regarding URNsAndRegistries not being persuasive for participants in
these discussions:
Does it have to be persuasive? I know some members of the OASIS XRI TC
are frustrated with its ability to persuade the TAG about the need for
XRI. Instead of multiple efforts unsuccessfully trying to persuade each
other to their opposing views, perhaps there could be a joint effort to
try to define a mutually agreeable view.
Marty.Schleiff@boeing.com; CISSP
Associate Technical Fellow - Cyber Identity Specialist
Computing Security Infrastructure
(206) 679-5933
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Connolly [mailto:connolly@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:31 PM
To: www-tag@w3.org
Subject: minutes TAG 26 Sep for review: URNsAndRegistries-50,
schemeProtocols-49, passwordsInTheClear-52, ...
Hypertext: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/26-tagmem-minutes
Plain text...
TAG Weekly
26 Sep 2006
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard, Noah
Regrets
TV, TimBL
Chair
VQ
Scribe
DanC
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Administrative
2. [5]issue URNsAndRegistries-50
3. [6]issue schemeProtocols-49
4. [7]issue passwordsInTheClear-52
5. [8]issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications)
6. [9]Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct.
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Administrative
<scribe> Scribe: DanC
<DanC_> [11]minutes 19 Sep
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/19-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: to accept minutes 19 Sep
issue URNsAndRegistries-50
VQ: last time we talked was a while ago, but I see
[12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml v 1.21
2006/08/17 19:23:58 dorchard
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml
DO: I made some edits to the last 3 sections prompted by comments
from David Booth...
... I think David said "they're better, but not exactly right yet"
HST: feedback I'm getting is "for readers who don't know much, this
might help a little, but for participants in these discussions, this
isn't likely to be persuasive. You need more [detial?]"
... I [intend to write too www-tag?] about the scenario where
somebody makes links to foo.com and then somebody else buys that
domain and makes those links go goofy
... in sum, I'd like ftf time on this
... I gather the XRI [spec?] has moved a lot since I reviewed it
TBL: how so?
HST: they've moved to the point where the primary result of looking
up an XRI is an XML document that gives metadata and lookup
information. And they intend to provide all the functionality of
DNS. [?]
... and they're moving to names for automobile parts and such, much
like the semantic web [and unlike LSID in some way?]
TBL: I drafted, but didn't send to www-tag, some stuff about the
social issues around [LSID?]
... the social chain of trust is perhaps the dominant issue in this
discussion.
... the only way to avoid trusting something outside your community
is that each community's web is disjoint from the others.
HST: the "what happens if foo.com goes goofy?" question can't be
addressed without talking about where the levers of power are and
who can pull them.
(... discussion of how LSIDs are acutally being deployed, and how
they interact with HTTP, and how they could use relative links...)
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note the awkward timing of TAG meeting
4-5 Oct 2006, Vancouver vs. HCLSIG meeting October 3 to 4, Amsterdam
<ht> Here's one:
[13]http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/urn:lsid:gdb.org:GenomicSeg
ment:GDB132938
[13]
http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/urn:lsid:gdb.org:GenomicSegment:GDB
132938
<ht> Taken from this page: [14]http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/
[14] http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/
(more discussion that the scribe is too busy taking part in to
record...)
<ht>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jul/0041.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jul/0041.html
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to find timbl's draft, give it to Ivan Herman
in preparation for HCLSIG meeting in Amsterdam [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
<DanC_> (my message about trying to use LSID software
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Ju
l/0267.html )
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Jul/0267.h
tml
<scribe> ACTION: HT to update draft finding URNs, Namespaces and
Registries, with David [CONTINUES] from 18 Apr 2006 [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
<ht> URNsAndRegistries-50 has at least one fan:
[19]http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/playlist/2006-August/0010
37.html
[19]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/playlist/2006-August/001037.html
issue schemeProtocols-49
NM: I still think this is an issue that people run into...
... I'm interested in discussion at the ftf, but not pushing it...
... from what I can tell, it's not really clear at all what's the
TAG position; this is more than just an editorial exercise
DC: where does this come up for me... I guess... "how many of
skype/irc/jabber are worth introducing?"
NM: there's also the case of streaming media, where I think we
concluded http is still the right scheme...
... Dan, are you pushing for a meta scheme like chat:?
DC: Maybe. There seems to be a social issue about differing
registration models for e.g., skype vs. jabber
NM: Yes. Seems vaguely related to differing expectations for http:
vs https:, I.e. that they sort of do the same thing, but with
differing expectations for the care taken in ensuring the correct
resolution
<scribe> ACTION: NM to produce a new version of URI Schemes and Web
Protocols [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
VQ: so perhaps this is not sufficiently mature for ftf discussion
Noah is excused.
issue passwordsInTheClear-52
Ed: I have made some progress, and have gotten some feedback, of the
form "you need to deal with display, not just transmission of the
password"...
... should be ready in the next week or so... oh... ftf is sooner
than that... ok, I'll get something out before the ftf
<scribe> ACTION: ER to produce first draft "No passwords in the
clear" finding [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications)
DO: no progress lately; below versioning on my stack
... and below URNsRegistries
<scribe> ACTION: DO to Revise CSCP (Cookies, Shopping Carts,
Personalization, etc) in State finding [CONTINUES] from 13 Jun 2006
recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
<scribe> ACTION: NDW to Review new version of state finding when it
comes out, with NM [CONTINUES] from 13 Jun 2006 [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct.
<DanC_> [24]draft agenda
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/10/04-agenda.html
Ed is excused. Everybody else will be there.
DO: on Wed 4 Oct, I'm out around lunch
VQ: ok to start at 9am Wed?
DO: yes
... everybody have their hotel?
<Norm> Norm is booked.
ED: I'm interested to dial in
DO: yes, I plan to accomodate that.
VQ: Ed, let me know which parts you want to call in for
Ed: OK
DO checks on social event.
"Review of draft finding The use of Metadata in URIs (new version to
be available for the meeting)"
<ht> New draft of MetadataInURI available when, Noah?
<Noah> oops. yes?
<Noah> I hope to write new section of metadata Thurs or Fri as
promised
<Noah> Should be short and easy to review
<Noah> That what you need?
<Vincent> Yes, thanks Noah
DO: I'm still hopeful for a new XMLVersioning-41 draft this week
... this is going slowly...
... the scope has increased from "how do I extend/version my XML
document" and we haven't gotten back to those details.
... and I'm not sure how long I can work on it... end of term
approaching and all.
DC: I think working on the terminology should interleave with
working on the guidance
DO: but reviewers so far have stopped somewhere in the terminology
section
NDW: on Issue namespaceDocument-8, I don't see bandwidth to get a
lot more done, but I do expect to contact Jonathan B at least
briefly
VQ: agenda is still flexible. suggestions welcome.
ADJOURN
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to find timbl's draft, give it to Ivan Herman in
preparation for HCLSIG meeting in Amsterdam [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: DO to Revise CSCP (Cookies, Shopping Carts,
Personalization, etc) in State finding [PENDING] from 13 Jun 2006
recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: HT to update draft finding URNs, Namespaces and
Registries, with David [PENDING] from 18 Apr 2006 [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: NDW to Review new version of state finding when it
comes out, with NM [PENDING] from 13 Jun 2006 [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[PENDING] ACTION: ER to produce first draft "No passwords in the
clear" finding [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[PENDING] ACTION: NM to produce a new version of URI Schemes and Web
Protocols recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
[End of minutes]
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