- From: Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:46:53 -0700
- To: W3C TAG <www-tag@w3.org>
Draft minutes of today's TAG teleconference can be found at
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/06-minutes.html
and a text version is below.
Cheers,
Roy T. Fielding <http://roy.gbiv.com/>
Chief Scientist, Day Software <http://www.day.com/>
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TAG Weekly Teleconference
6 Sep 2005
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Dan_Connolly, Roy_Fielding, Noah_Mendelsohn, Dave_Orchard,
Vincent_Quint, Ed_Rice, Henry_Thompson, Norman_Walsh
Regrets
Tim_Berners-Lee
Chair
Vincent Quint
Scribe
Roy Fielding
Contents
* Topics
1. Roll Call
2. Next meeting on 13 Sep
3. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/06-agenda.html
4. Minutes of 30 Aug
5. Agenda for Edinburgh f2f
6. Proposed errata for webarch
7. URNsAndRegistries-50
8. standardizedFieldValues-51
9. Reviewing a few pending actions
* Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> Scribe: Roy Fielding
<scribe> ScribeNick: Roy
Roll Call
Next meeting on 13 Sep
Regrets for Sep 13: Noah, Henry, TimBL
Plan for next week is discussion of GRID. Experts have been invited
but we
have not heard back yet.
VQ: should we still schedule discussion for next week if we only
have one
person from GRID?
NW: yes
Ed: yes
NM: propose we take one round of discussion to get oriented and then
perhaps take it further during the f2f
NW: will find out about other experts and send info to Vincent
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/06-agenda.html
no objections
Minutes of 30 Aug
<DanC> 30 Aug minutes
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 30 Aug meeting approved
Agenda for Edinburgh f2f
VQ: I have made a pass through the issues list to prepare for a f2f
agenda
<DanC> ah... good...
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#httpRange-14 is now
marked
"agreed"
VQ: only a rough draft has been prepared so far.
... I would like to make progress on several of the open issues, try
to
close them, and make progress where possible
... I would also like to see some setting of priorities for the TAG
DC: okay
NW: that would be good
VQ: Henry, are there constraints on the schedule at F2F?
HT: No, we can go til midnight is desired.
... dinner on Tuesday will probably be at 7:30 pm, time not yet
confirmed
<DanC> (let's see... europe is that funny place where I wake up at 3
or
4am, right? so I'm happy to start earlier than 9am... much
earlier... and
by 5pm, you'll be lucky to communicate with my conscious self.)
HT: do people have a preference for organizing a group meal on Wed or
Thurs?
all: Wed is better
VQ: anything else about the logistics?
<dorchard> this is all online right Henry?
HT: location is three-story row house with lots of doors. I will
stand out
on the sidewalk from 8:30 to 9 or so to let people in. If you are
late,
enter door 2, go upstairs one level, and enter through main entrance
[Henry will supply details]
<ht> ... ring bell marked "HCRC", secretary will let you in and take
you
to the meeting
<ht> or call my cell phone [number elided]
<DanC> it seems to be covered at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2005/09/edinburgh-meetings-
info.html#location
Proposed errata for webarch
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/proposed-errata.html#entries
NW: first entry is from Chris, suggests that we add an editorial
correction and that looks fine to me
... anyone disagree (silence)
<DanC> "Interpretation of prose in 3.3"
<DanC> ^that's a pretty good name, for these minutes
RESOLUTION: TAG agrees to CL errata 1, Interpretation of prose in 3.3
Second errata is from Roy to update references to URI and IRI
RESOLUTION: TAG agrees to RF errata for URI and IRI references
<scribe> ACTION: NW to include items 1 and 2 in webarch errata
[recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
URNsAndRegistries-50
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml
HT: document is not ready yet and unlikely to be able to spend more
time
on it before f2f
VQ: should we spend time on it during f2f?
HT: probably not
DC: this topic doesn't seem to be urgent at this point
<ht> Noah is talking about namespaceDocument-8
NM: there is concern about use of namespace names and http, may be
worth
f2f time
VQ: that is on the f2f agenda under namespaceDocument-8
DC: IETF stated practice currently is to use URNs for namespace
names, for
example in geopriv (geo privacy) specs.
... IETF using XML in various ways and recommending use of URNs, so
there
is some need to recommend dereferenceable identifiers instead
standardizedFieldValues-51
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#standardizedFieldValues-51
VQ: we have not done work on this since it was announced. does it
make
sense to discuss it at f2f?
DC: people working on protocols/formats tend to start with short
names and
then later encounter name collision
Roy: I agree with Dan's summary of the issue.
... I suggest that DC take an action to write something up ;-)
DC: I could do that
NM: that would be valuable to me to get a handle on the issue
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to write an update on issue 51 and microformats
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
<DanC> [ACTION] Send link to proposal for "Compact URI Syntax"
Reviewing a few pending actions
VQ: http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-tagmem-minutes#action04
... any progress?
NW: no progress to report, we need to figure out who has the ball
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask who has the ball on c14n
<DanC> HT: XML Core
NW: I will try to write something up for f2f
<scribe> ACTION: NW to provide something written for namespaceState
for
f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
<Norm>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-wg/2005Mar/att-0006/
xml-schema-f2f-minutes-2005-03-03.html#p219
<noah> David Orchard to contextualize his scenarios, such as more on
what
is happening with SOAP and WSDL. [recorded in Minutes of the W3C XML
Schema Working Group 4th (37th) F2F meeting, action TP5-8]
that document is not public
DO: I have made significant progress on that action, should be
resolved
within a week or so
VQ: let us know when we should review something in the TAG
... any more items to discuss?
<DanC> I just sent mail about namespaceDocument-8, if we want to add
that
today's agenda
<DanC> ns8 stuff
DC: last week we talked about ns8... afterwords, I remembered that
if you
take the whole URI of a name within a schema, remove the fragment,
and
dereference (like a machine), what comes back as RDDL does not have
an id
attribute that can be used to ground fragment ids as schema anchors
... straightforward solution is to place anchor ids in the namespace
document such that they are identifiable in the dereferenced resource
NM: I had assumed that people would want to use RDDL as a form of
indirection. Perhaps if RDDL had its own media type then it could
define
its own mechanism for indirect definition of anchors
HT: with a namespace described by multiple schema documents, one must
acknowledge that there will be different names defined by different
schema
documents, and therefore the namespace document needs to act as a
union of
names in a complex namespace [scribe interpretation]
<ht> The relevant Bugzilla entry for the Schema WG is 1974, so URI is
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1974
<DanC> ACTION: HT to track progress of #int in the XML Schema
namespace
document in the XML Schema WG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
HT: in settling httpRange-14, we talked a great deal about regular
URIs
but not as much about URIs with fragment
NM: when we introduced "information resource", our definition
distinguished between obvious things but left unclear whether a
namespace
falls under the category of "information resource" or not
DC: if it returns 200, then you have answered the question
... whether a namespace resource is an information resource or not
is up
to the namespace creator.
NM: so, summary would be that it is okay for a namespace name to be
an
information resource provided that the URI is used consistently
ADJOURNED
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to write an update on issue 51 and microformats
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: HT to track progress of #int in the XML Schema
namespace
document in the XML Schema WG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: NW to include items 1 and 2 in webarch errata
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: NW to provide something written for namespaceState for
f2f
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/06-tagmem-irc]
[End of minutes]
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