- From: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:32:51 -0700
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I offer my thoughts for directions of the TAG. I think there are some discrete areas that are worthy of focus. - New architectures emerging, particularly Web services, Blogging/Atom, and P2P - Extending and describing existing architectures, such as Web applications, Semantic Web, XML itself - Elaborating on Architecture Properties, such as Extensibility/Versioning, Asynchrony, and Stateful services. Web services Effectively, the Web services architecture is a separate architecture from the Web architecture. There are almost no services that are generally considered Web services (that is use SOAP and/or WSDL) that are on the Web. Further, Web services clients rarely see Web applications. The attempt to unify the architectures in SOAP 1.2 with the SOAP-response MEP simply have not been deployed. This could be because the community has not moved to SOAP 1.2, perhaps partially because of the lack of WSDL 2.0 deployment. However, I think it is much more that Web services authors perceive little benefit in offering their services on the Web. For example, the WS-ResourceFramework[1] and WS-Transfer[2] provide generic operations in SOAP for achieving state transfer, despite proposal such as WS-REST [3] that could have integrated the resource framework with the Web. This separation, based upon SOAP and WSDL, is growing with the expected widespread adoption of WS-Addressing. WS-Addressing uses the SOAP extensibility model for soap headers and endpoint reference structure for primarily asynchronous interactions. To which that TAG should decide whether it thinks this separate architecture is something that it can or should seek to address. There are some potential solutions, such as a SOAP HTTP Transfer Binding [4]. However, the combination of the SOAP extensibility model and the desire for asynchronous interactions makes it difficult to cleanly map ws-addressing into HTTP [5]. A great deal of the motivation for WS-Addressing design is to enable asynchronous stateful services. More on this in the properties section Web applications, including good REST design A significant percentage of new application design is termed Web applications, typified by Amazon, Google, Yahoo, Atom, and others. There is emerging interest in describing this, with WSDL 2.0[6], a variety of other proposals[7], and a W3C Mailing list[8]. Additionally, Peer to Peer networks, like BitTorrent and Gnutella networks have created their own identifier schemes and protocols for decentralized retrieval of resources. To what extent has the web architecture failed or been successful in achieving these protocols. Architecture Properties It is apparent that each new set of technology that either extends web architecture or replaces web architecture does so to achieve certain different architecture properties. It is worthy of the TAG to describe how to achieve certain architecture properties within current technology and to motivate new designs to achieve the properties. The TAG already is focusing on Extensibility and Versioning, with positive results. Two other properties of interest are asynchrony and state. A simple summary of WS-Addressing is that it provides for protocol independent asynchronous stateful services. At a core, these are very different requirements and properties than achieved by existing HTTP and REST architecture. Indeed, stateless architecture is a key constraint in REST. I have offered motivations for async[9] and stateful services [10]. However, a variety of technologies have emerged that have steadily moved technology away from stateless synchronous HTTP-centric patterns. Firstly, a very significant portion of the web is deployed using HTTP Cookies to achieve stateful applications. This is not acknowledged in the Web or REST architecture and it is worthy of being addressed by the TAG. Rohit Khare shows how REST can be extended for asynchrony [11], but this doesn't appear to have caught on. The limitations of HTTP Cookies, the deployment of SOAP and it's XML based extensibility model, and the desire for asynchrony have resulted in Web service specifications. One of the first was SOAP-Conversations [12], and we now have WS-Addressing[13] at the W3C. The TAG can have as significant a role as it wants in helping or guiding application development to achieve these properties, and the extent to which they are considered part of Web architecture. [1] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=wsrf [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnglobspec/html/ws-transfer.pdf [3] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrf/200405/msg00018.html [4] http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2005/03/01/wsrest_continued_do_we_need _an_http_transfer_soap_binding_and_simplified_wsdl [5] http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2004/12/20/ruminations_on_wsaddressing _and_transfer_protocols [6] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/ [7] http://www.pacificspirit.com/Authoring/REST/ [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-http-desc/ [9] http://www.pacificspirit.com/Authoring/async/ [10] http://www.webservicessolutions.com/index.php/ws/content/view/full/49955 /#2 [11] http://www.ics.uci.edu/~rohit/ARRESTED-ICSE.pdf [12] http://dev2dev.bea.com/pub/a/2002/06/SOAPConversation.html [13] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join CEO Alfred Chuang and CTO Mark Carges on June 15 for a unique online event, giving you the first look at a new category of enterprise software built specifically for Service-Oriented Architecture (SOA). 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