- From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:51:04 -0700
- To: WWW-Tag <www-tag@w3.org>
Paul Prescod wrote:
>>> RFC2396 is a normative reference *for rddl*. I'd expect that to be
>>> written:
>>>
>>> <> <http://www.rddl.org/purposes#normative-reference>
>>> <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt> .
>>
>> This has come up a few times and it's not a slam-dunk either way.
>> These kinds of discussions are really hard without a whiteboard to
>> draw graphs on... your assertion immediately above contains a little
>> bit less information than my version: it doesn't tell you explicitly
>> that the #normative-reference property is a rddl:purpose.
>
> Isn't that its rdf:type, rdfs:Class or owl:Class or even some new
> concept like rddl:role-type?
>
> <> <http://www.rddl.org/purposes#normative-reference>
> <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt> .
> <http://www.rddl.org/purposes#normative-reference> <rdf:type>
> <rddl:purpose>.
>
> I prefer Dan's formulation because:
I dislike it because it treats nature and purpose asymmetrically.
> a) of Dan's point that your declarations do not bind appropriately to
> the actual resource being described
I disagree. I claim that rfc2396.txt has a nature (.../text/plain) and
a purpose (...#normative-reference). Yes, I acknowledge that the other
model also works, but it's not clear that it's better, and it maps less
directly onto the use pattern of looking things up by nature/purpose.
> b) RDF always says things are related so a statement that says nothing
> more strikes me as sort of wasted (why not say how they are related?)
So that you can get a graph linking the original resource and the
related resources, and not have to resort to indiection to know what's a
nature and what's a purpose.
> c) Your goal seems to be the declaration of types of things and the
> RDF/DAML world has its own ways of doing things.
Actually, I don't care, since it has no effect on the RDDL syntax, which
what I *do* care about. If the RDF experts decide that Dan's approach
is correct, I certainly won't argue at any level beyond this email. My
approach certainly maps better onto the way I think about nature and
purpose, but I may be in a minority.
--
Cheers, Tim Bray
(ongoing fragmented essay: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/)
Received on Friday, 13 June 2003 00:51:05 UTC