- From: Bill de hÓra <dehora@eircom.net>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:29:00 +0000
- To: Jonathan Borden <jonathan@openhealth.org>
- CC: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, David Booth <dbooth@w3.org>, www-tag@w3.org
Jonathan Borden wrote: > And how is the URI spec to be implemented? This is the crux of the problem. > If the URI spec had a formal semantics then we wouldn't have so much leeway > in arguing about how it is intended to be interpreted. Indeed there are a > number of folks who intend the relationship of a URI to resource be many to > many! Now I say 1:1 and if the spec doesn't at the very least constrain this > relationship then people seem to be free to interpret it in any way they > please. Perhaps that is why these arguments appear never ending. I'll chip in once, having brought up many to many recently and leave it at that. Let me be clear about my intent. I would much prefer a many to 1 relationship. The important bit being that there is 1 referent (if there was only one one URI in the relationship, I'd argue that we wouldn't a seamntic web at all). Indeed I think at certain levels you /must/ have a many to 1 relationship. Over the years I've seen people get mighty annoyed that it could be any other way, including myself. But what I haven't seen is an iota of evidence, or any indication that this relationship could ever hold on a global system where machines, not people, are doing the heavy lifting of intepretation. It could I believe, be held in a closed world, with not insignificant coordination costs. IMHO, in denying denotation by use, we might as well be denying the presence of latency, or partial failure. My point is that many to one is not an observable truth, but as likely as not the result of a processing or filtering step. Now, the TAG can say that 1 to 1 is canonical or axiomatic, but so what? We can't even enforce this with authority based URIs - different authorities can own URIs at different times. An axiom does not eliminate the potential for multiple referents. Defensive coding against garbage input, because the intent of the system is that there can be only one. We can build a semantics to state, clearly, that a URI has only ever one referent. But so what? The coordination costs in doing so are surely untenable for a global system (which is why I keep using backlinking as an analogy). By the way we already have such a semantics in RDF! RDF acknowledges denonations must be distributed in an interpretative step before inference can begin. However, if the 1 to 1 relationship had anything to do with the web, that part of RDF's Model Theory could be dispensed with as redundant. A semantics does not eliminate the potential for multiple referents. Defensive coding against garbage input is needed, because the intent of the system is that there can be only one. On the other hand, if the TAG said something along the lines of Tim Bray's response to my request, I could start to apply techniques to disambuguate referents to code's mainline. The top layer of the system would still be driven by logical reasoners, things like OWL and RDF are in no risk of getting canned if that's what people are worried about. But the dismbiguation layers between inference machines (RDF reasoners) and the data machines (web servers), would be open to some badly needed experimentation. You know, keep the 1 to 1 model, if it's perceived to be that valuable. But at least acknowledge there is a layer missing in the cake between web servers and inference machinery that does dismabiguation. That layer is neccessary if only because things like RDF and OWL break when multiple referents are present in the data. Today maybe we don't see it, because we are that layer. Defensiv coding is removed purely by relaxing the tolerances being engineered to, because the intent of the system is that there might be more than one. Cool URIs do change. That's why you had to remind us they don't. Bill de hÓra
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