- From: Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>
- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:30:27 -0500
- To: www-tag@w3.org
[I sent this yesterday morning but it doesn't appear to have made it to the list. Apologies to anyone who receives duplicates.] Murata Makoto writes: >1) XInclude ignores the media type (and probably the charset > parameter) associated with resources > >When parse = "xml" is specified, XInclude always assumes that the >media type is text/xml and the fragment id is an XPointer. When parse >= text" is specified, XInclude always uses text/plain in interpreting >fragment identifiers. It is unclear whether or not XInclude respects >the charset parameter of the original media type. I would thus argue >that XInclude conflicts media type RFCs and architectural >principles of W3C (2.4. Fragment identifiers of "Architecture of the >World Wide Web", Draft 15 November 2002). There seems to be a general issue with XML specifications and content-negotiation. While the HTML object element includes a type attribute that permits such negotiation [1], as do some other aspects of HTML, SMIL, and SVG, most of the XML-based specifications - including XInclude and XLink - seem to take a "we provide the URI reference, you do with it as you like" approach. The Web Architecture document seems to take a somewhat more conservative approach, with its "consistent representations"[2] and particularly "Coneg with fragments" [3] principles. While the title "Consistent representations" might be better phrased "Consistently represent the same resource", it sounds on its face as if "representations should be consistent", which is very different. "Coneg with fragments" is less-developed but seems likely to conflict quickly with pretty much all of the more advanced features proposed by the various XPointer specifications whenever content negotiation is possible - which I suspect many Web architects would agree should be "all of the time". While these principle don't explicitly reject the more explicit specification approach of HTML etc., the combination of their (generally worthwhile) conservatism and the lack of specification of any explicit mechanisms in the XML specifications to handle content-negotiation should effectively provide a straitjacket for conscientious XML developers. Developers who want to process XInclude generically should not have to understand the surrounding vocabulary to any great semantic depth, but they may well not be able to process the XIncludes without basic context for content-negotiation. Just "xml" is not enough. For example, application/xml or text/xml may not be the representation to which an XInclude in an SVG document was actually pointing, and perhaps quite reasonably. It's not very difficult to imagine an XML description of a parts assembly sharing a URI with an SVG rendition of that parts assembly, and knowning whether to ask for applicaation/xml or image/svg+xml can make a substantial difference in the final results. It is important to note that this is particularly a problem for cases (like XInclude) where the semantics of embedding make it much harder to punt unexpected content to a different handler completely. Outward pointers tend to have fewer problems with this set of issues. Content negotiation is one of the most powerful features made possible by the Web's separation of identifier from resource but also one which seems to be given short shrift by XML specifications. I would strongly encourage the TAG to at least use content-negotiation as an important lens for evaluating compatibility with the Web Architecture and perhaps spend more time thinking about content negotiation as a central pillar of the Web rather than as a problem-causing corner case. [1] - http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-object.html#sec_14.1.3. and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html [2] - http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2002/webarch-20021206#pr-rep-ambiguity [3] - http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2002/webarch-20021206#http-coneg-frag -- Simon St.Laurent Ring around the content, a pocket full of brackets Errors, errors, all fall down! http://simonstl.com -- http://monasticxml.org
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