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Re: SVG's future

From: Domenico Strazzullo <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:26:17 +0100
Message-ID: <CABgXer0Di7cso-M1XphQ6oqtQhGMfo755SnJZubRDGtRFs=cUQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@gmail.com>
Cc: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Doug Schepers <standards@schepers.cc>, Nikos Andronikos <nikos.andronikos@gmail.com>, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com>, "Dr. Olaf Hoffmann" <Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de>, www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Sebastian Zartner <
sebastianzartner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 February 2017 at 11:47, Domenico Strazzullo
> <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please let's earn some respect for one another! Different opinions and
> valid
> > arguments can be expressed in an objective way, as well as in a
> subjective
> > way, let’s leave it to the free will.
>
>
Nice to see this positive attitude, Sebastian.


> What I meant is that people in this thread should stop insulting each
> other. I agree, respect needs to be earned, but insults rather reach
> the opposite.
>

That is absolutely true. However any lawyer will tell you that those are
not really insults, it’s more complicated than that. Also, I put myself
voluntarily in a position to not get respect; rather to promote
confrontation through provocation. It’s a proven technique when dealing
with socio-political issues. Remember when it was just five of us for a
whole week? We were almost discouraged. Now it’s much more than that, and
we start getting views from the other side, however clumsily they may be
expressed.


>
> > A special word for you, Sebastian: I’m not the W3C, I’m here, please do
> not
> > make disagreeable remarks about me or my words through a bias.
>
> I am just trying to calm the waves of this heated discussion. I didn't
> mean to make any disagreeable remarks.
>
> What we're seeing so far is an unhealthy situation for SVG. There are
> disappointed users (because they can't use the new features), spec.
> editors (as they put many years of work into writing the spec.), and
> even implementors (like Inkscape), because browser vendors obviously
> don't plan to implement SVG 2's features, even when the spec. status
> is calling for implementations.
>

Yes, that is the core issue. Let’s stick to it.


>
> Therefore, what I am trying to reach — and I'm repeating myself — is
> to get to know the reasons for this situation and what needs to be
> changed in order to make progress again.
>
>
Yes, that’s what we need to know, for the first part. The second part
should come in its own time if we get interlocutors ready to open a dialog
and negotiations.


> So, Tab, Rossen, Brian, whoever is responsible for SVG at Google,
> Microsoft, Apple, and Mozilla, could you share your companies'
> official opinions on this topic, please?
>

Good idea. We know at least that of Mozilla, who apparently consider
themselves tributary of the others. It’s good that you used the word
“official”, very good. Mind you, I think the W3C knows *much too well*
their official positions and motivations.

Domenico


>
> Sebastian
>
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