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Re: SVG's future

From: Domenico Strazzullo <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:26:17 +0100
Message-ID: <CABgXer0Di7cso-M1XphQ6oqtQhGMfo755SnJZubRDGtRFs=cUQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@gmail.com>
Cc: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Doug Schepers <standards@schepers.cc>, Nikos Andronikos <nikos.andronikos@gmail.com>, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com>, "Dr. Olaf Hoffmann" <Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de>, www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Sebastian Zartner <
sebastianzartner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 February 2017 at 11:47, Domenico Strazzullo
> <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please let's earn some respect for one another! Different opinions and
> valid
> > arguments can be expressed in an objective way, as well as in a
> subjective
> > way, let’s leave it to the free will.
Nice to see this positive attitude, Sebastian.

> What I meant is that people in this thread should stop insulting each
> other. I agree, respect needs to be earned, but insults rather reach
> the opposite.

That is absolutely true. However any lawyer will tell you that those are
not really insults, it’s more complicated than that. Also, I put myself
voluntarily in a position to not get respect; rather to promote
confrontation through provocation. It’s a proven technique when dealing
with socio-political issues. Remember when it was just five of us for a
whole week? We were almost discouraged. Now it’s much more than that, and
we start getting views from the other side, however clumsily they may be

> > A special word for you, Sebastian: I’m not the W3C, I’m here, please do
> not
> > make disagreeable remarks about me or my words through a bias.
> I am just trying to calm the waves of this heated discussion. I didn't
> mean to make any disagreeable remarks.
> What we're seeing so far is an unhealthy situation for SVG. There are
> disappointed users (because they can't use the new features), spec.
> editors (as they put many years of work into writing the spec.), and
> even implementors (like Inkscape), because browser vendors obviously
> don't plan to implement SVG 2's features, even when the spec. status
> is calling for implementations.

Yes, that is the core issue. Let’s stick to it.

> Therefore, what I am trying to reach — and I'm repeating myself — is
> to get to know the reasons for this situation and what needs to be
> changed in order to make progress again.
Yes, that’s what we need to know, for the first part. The second part
should come in its own time if we get interlocutors ready to open a dialog
and negotiations.

> So, Tab, Rossen, Brian, whoever is responsible for SVG at Google,
> Microsoft, Apple, and Mozilla, could you share your companies'
> official opinions on this topic, please?

Good idea. We know at least that of Mozilla, who apparently consider
themselves tributary of the others. It’s good that you used the word
“official”, very good. Mind you, I think the W3C knows *much too well*
their official positions and motivations.


> Sebastian
Received on Monday, 13 February 2017 15:26:51 UTC

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