- From: Erik Dahlström <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:50:23 +0200
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
08 May 2014
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014May/0003.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
cabanier, [IPcaller], Rich_Schwerdtfeger, ed, krit,
stakagi, nikos
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
Rich
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]SVG2 User Agent Implementation Guide
2. [6]should we remove tref from SVG2?
3. [7]Deprecate pixelUnitToMillimeterX,
pixelUnitToMillimeterY,
4. [8]Should we use unrestricted double for SVGLength,
SVGNumber, SVGAngle and
5. [9]All presentation attributes (even the new
presentation attributes like
6. [10]Event attributes on graphics and container
elements why not SVGElement
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
<stakagi> zakim ??P3 is me
<scribe> scribe: Rich
SVG2 User Agent Implementation Guide
<ed> scribeNick: richardschwerdtfeger
Core Accessibility API Mappings
SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings
HTML5 Accessibility API Mappings
<ed> richardschwerdtfeger: does anyone have concerns with the
names of the specifications?
<ed> (none heard)
<scribe> scribe: Rich
<ed>
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0071.ht
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[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0071.html
should we remove tref from SVG2?
erik: It is not implemented in Firefox. There is not much use
in blink. People are looking to remove it if possible.
Rich: Is it implemented in IE?
nikos: Not implemented in IE11
erik: You can use the <use> element instead so not much loss of
functionality
nikos: if <use> satisifes those then we will be ok
ed: tref can be used inside a text element. but use you would
use outside but you can mostly do the same thing
<nikos>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0075.ht
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[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0075.html
nikos: There was some comment about it breaking air traffic
control software
... it was a little bit vague
... If it is not really implemented in browsers anyway …
ed: there were a lot of quirks with it so I would like to
remove it. It makes things more complicated for implementation
... If you have script you can do anything with it but there is
not always the opportunity to use script
... I propose that we try to drop it with the next publication
of the spec.
... hearing no objections
RESOLUTION: Remove TREF from the SVG 2 spec.
Deprecate pixelUnitToMillimeterX, pixelUnitToMillimeterY,
screenPixelToMillimeterX, screenPixelToMillimeterY in SVG2
krit: Do we want to continue having these functions that simply
return constants? They are really not needed any more.
... can we at least deprecate them?
ed: So, these contants are easy to get from other APIs or this
is basically what the web does more or less
... Can we get these values from CSS?
krit: No, I don’t think so
ed: I have not seen these used so I am not that concerned. I
think we should deprecate them.
... hearing no objections to deprecate them.
<scribe> ACTION: Dirk deprecate Deprecate
pixelUnitToMillimeterX, pixelUnitToMillimeterY,
screenPixelToMillimeterX, screenPixelToMillimeterY in the spec.
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3623 - Deprecate deprecate
pixelunittomillimeterx, pixelunittomillimetery,
screenpixeltomillimeterx, screenpixeltomillimetery in the spec.
[on Dirk Schulze - due 2014-05-15].
Should we use unrestricted double for SVGLength, SVGNumber, SVGAngle
and
all attributes?
krit: You can pass none.
... should we restict the API or should we make it
unrestricted?
... they will all have unrstricted doubles
... It just makes sense to make it unrestricted.
ed: ok let’s postpone the discussion until heycam is present
All presentation attributes (even the new presentation attributes
like
width and height) should allow global CSS keywords like inherit
and
initial.
krit: I think we should not add new cases and we should follow
CSS as much as possible.
ed: this does post some consistency issues
... … svglength for example. So, that is the reason for not
allowing it for the elements that are presentation attributes
nikos: the object models would produce computed styles. This is
something we decided 2 years ago.
<ed> <g transform="inherit"> ... and then
gElm.baseVal.transform.getItem(0), what does it return?
ed: the base values would be computed?
nikos: you would get the computed styles
... we should move to the CSS object model where possible
ed: you could use the get attributes if you wanted to get
whatever was written
... that makes sense
... that would mean that I would go change the spec.
nikos: you would not disallow the new units from CSS
... you are are nto restricting it to the character message
length
<scribe> ACTION: ed modify the sentence in the spec. to allow
the globall css keywords like inherit and initial [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3624 - Modify the sentence in the
spec. to allow the globall css keywords like inherit and
initial [on Erik Dahlström - due 2014-05-15].
Event attributes on graphics and container elements why not
SVGElement
in general, just like HTMLElement does?
nikos: It would make sense to make it for SVG elements in
general
... script elements, style elements, etc.
ed: the scripting chapter in the spec.?
... it is out of date and should be updated.
... these are more or less the standard events
nikos: we just map all event attributes to svg elements as
well.
ed: should be fine.
<scribe> ACTION: ed Event attributes on graphics and container
elements added to SVGElement just like HTMLElement does
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3625 - Event attributes on graphics
and container elements added to svgelement just like
htmlelement does [on Erik Dahlström - due 2014-05-15].
ed: the next call is May 22
nikos: I may not be available as well
krit: my regrets
ed: meeting adjouned
<nikos> wonder if I got that in in time ;)
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Dirk deprecate Deprecate pixelUnitToMillimeterX,
pixelUnitToMillimeterY, screenPixelToMillimeterX,
screenPixelToMillimeterY in the spec. [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: ed Event attributes on graphics and container
elements added to SVGElement just like HTMLElement does
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: ed modify the sentence in the spec. to allow the
globall css keywords like inherit and initial [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
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Erik Dahlstrom, Web Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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