Re: [css-compositing] blending and inline SVG

Hi David,

I'm not sure if I follow everything you're saying.
>From Dirk's latest comments, it does seem that deeper interaction between
<svg> and <html> is possible. We also have every intention in bring HTML
text to SVG; we just haven't figured out an elegant way yet.

Rik

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM, David Dailey <ddailey@zoominternet.net>wrote:

> Hi Rik, all,****
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> Rik wrote:****
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> Browser are indeed treating svg as a canvas (and not as a change from the
> css box model to the svg drawing model) so it makes sense to have the
> content isolated.****
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> I’m not quite sure if I know what all these terms mean from the point of
> view of implementers,  but way back when in 2007, when the gang of five was
> trying (and succeeding) to wrest control of HTML from the W3C, I tried
> (unsuccessfully of course) to try to place the conversation on a footing
> that might allow authors to participate and to consider where one might
> actually want the web to go. As you can probably imagine, such words were
> treated as sheer heresy, as was my stated desire that SVG butterflies might
> flit about a web page and drink text-nectar from and thence cross-pollinate
> HTML textareas.****
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> Calling for such functionality (which was not a “recognized use case,”
> being artsy rather than practical) served as proof positive that all my
> ideas thence after could be systematically ignored by whatwuggers and their
> henchmen.   On the other hand it seems like the statement above dooms SVG
> butterflies to never be able to drink the nectar of HTML text.  ****
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> Perhaps if we’d ever get textareas in SVG then we wouldn’t really need all
> that silly HTML stuff.****
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> Smiles****
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> David****
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> *From:* Rik Cabanier [mailto:cabanier@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 6:39 PM
> *To:* Dirk Schulze
> *Cc:* www-svg; public-fx@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: [css-compositing] blending and inline SVG****
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> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com> wrote:*
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> On May 20, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Rik Cabanier <cabanier@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > All,
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> > I was editing the chapter on isolation [1] and wondered if inline svg
> should happen in an isolated group. (So the <svg> tag would establish a new
> group/stacking context)
> > It seems that it would be very hard to implement if this was not the
> case.
> >
> > Is everyone that inline SVG is always isolated?
> >
> > We also need to discuss what other constructs in SVG create isolation.
> The current filter spec assumes that nothing does, but that doesn't
> correspond with reality.****
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> The first question is how inline SVG cooperates with HTML in general. We
> did not specify that anywhere to my knowledge. In Blink and WebKit inline
> SVG elements are handled as replacement elements, same as <img>, <video> or
> <canvas>. It would make sense to not treat inline SVG elements different
> from the other elements for these two engines. However, I would like to
> understand where you see the technical difference to other "graphical" HTML
> elements like <div> or <p>.****
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> I'm unsure what you are asking. ****
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> Browser are indeed treating svg as a canvas (and not as a change from the
> css box model to the svg drawing model) so it makes sense to have the
> content isolated.****
>

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