- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:30:13 +0200
- To: www-svg@w3.org
Hello www-svg,
 Minutes of todays call
http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html
and below as text
                   SVG Working Group Teleconference
14 Sep 2010
   [2]Agenda
      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html
   See also: [3]IRC log
      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-irc
Attendees
   Present
          Shepazu, ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, ChrisL, anthony_wrk
   Regrets
   Chair
          SV_MEETING_CHAIR
   Scribe
          chris
Contents
     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Last Call Comments
         2. [6]Test suite overview
         3. [7]SVG Integration
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________
   <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2010
   <scribe> scribe: chris
   <scribe> scribenick: chrisl
Last Call Comments
   ISSUE-2340?
   <trackbot> ISSUE-2340 -- Last Call Comment: view and animation
   values lists - where can I find the promised note? -- open
   <trackbot> [9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340
      [9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340
   ACTION-2817
   ACTION-2817?
   <trackbot> ACTION-2817 -- Chris Lilley to add the promised note
   relating to ISSUE-2340 -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN
   <trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817
     [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817
   test at
   [11]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.
   svg
     [11] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.svg
   (chrisl corrects a typo in the test, recommits)
   The test checks that an escaped semicolon works the same as an
   unescaped one
   ED: need to debug, think we should pass this. Several values
   accepted
   CL: Transform should show a quarter circle
   my email
   [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html
     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html
   ED (checks in debugger)
   DS; What about wrapping in quotes?
   CL: List is split by semicolons first. Not clear quotes are allowed
   anyway
   ED: Looked at issue-2335, bias
   issue-2335?
   <trackbot> ISSUE-2335 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify feConvolveMatrix
   bias property -- raised
   <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335
     [13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335
   ED: Feedback from Vincent and jasper, agreement on proposed option
   number 2
   ... just need to test this and come up with wording
   ... does change how the spec defines it, and currently Opera,
   Firefox and ASV agree on bias. But its unused and not useful at
   present.
   <scribe> ... new wording is better
   UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: maybe get Inkscape and Opera to pass on the new
   wording
   ... checked in tests that Jasper made, colours are different
   CL: Inkscape is not using linearRGB
   ED: Jasper made tests with sRGB as well
   AG: Is option 1 what ASV does?
   CL: Yes
   <ed> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368
     [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368
   ED: Cyril raised an issue on number parsing
   ACTION-2843?
   <trackbot> ACTION-2843 -- Cyril Concolato to propose new wording for
   the spec for ISSUE-2368 -- due 2010-09-13 -- OPEN
   <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843
     [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843
   (wre link the action to the issue)
   ED: Will try to close as many as I can. Others sjould get on and do
   theirs
Test suite overview
   <ed>
   [16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
   us.html
     [16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
   ED: Updated the status generator
   tbah: what is 'uses red'?
   ChrisL: some can't be changed, like the ones on color syntax
   DS: Prefer to avoid red in passing tests where possible
   ED: Can toggle off the accepted ones so only the ones that need work
   are seen
   ... move ones as imageOwner and Reviewed to accepted
   ... only 14 tests
   <ed>
   [17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.
   svg
     [17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.svg
   description is not done yet
   ED: text in operator script could be moved around easily
   <ed> Run the test. No interaction required.
   <ed>
   [18]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.
   svg
     [18] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.svg
   also acceptged
   <ed>
   [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-0
   2-f.svg
     [19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-02-f.svg
   <ed>
   [20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-0
   5-f.svg
     [20] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-05-f.svg
   AG: Opera and Chrome both fail some subtests on that one
   also shapes-01-f.svg
   ED: Might require an erratum for 1.2T
   ... and update to 1.2T test suite as well
   AG: Does 1.1 say what to do with broken pont lists?
   ED: Was clear, then changed in 1.2T not sure why
   AG: How different is it?
   ... Will raise the issue now
   ED: and need to fix the 1.2T tests
   struct-use-10-f.svg
   ED: test description lissing, will shunt it around
   AG: shapes-01-f.svg is missing the subsection name
   ED: Yes but applies to two subsections
   CL: Just link it to the two sections
   ... or rename to one and say in the dezxcription it tests both
   sections
   struct-use-12-f.svg spelled 'reviewed' incorrectly :)
   ED: Script checks for fully red in the reference image
   text-align-07-t.svg
   CL: Should be an issue because of dominant baseline
   ... I propose that very old tests which have been out for years, a
   decade even, be marked with SVGWG as reviewer and accepted
   ED: OK
   <scribe> ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no
   status that have been published already [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2870 - Bulk review the old SVGWG tests
   with no status that have been published already [on Chris Lilley -
   due 2010-09-21].
   AG: Dominant baselines is inconsistent i browsers because it is not
   clear from the spec how to get it. No viewer gets it right
   CL: Question is, is the test implementable or is there an issue/
   Where do you get the dominant baseline of a random Unicode
   character?
   AG: Abbra is almost right
   ... ASV not entirely right
   tbah: Sanscrit is supposed to be on hanging baseline?
   AG: Yes
   ... Adobe shid=ft in right direction but not by the right amount.
   Overshoot for small text sizes
   [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties
     [22] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties
   AG: You pull this out of the font
   CL: SVG fonts don't have that info.
   tbah: Don't think you can get this from Pango.
   ED: Does this require getting baseline info? Not available on all
   platforms
   CL: Better to have defined fallback, for SVG 2
   <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline
   [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2871 - Investigate how to get dominant
   baseline [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-09-21].
   <scribe> Agenda:
   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/012
   2.html
     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html
   ED: What is the freeze date for CR report?
   CL: without a freeze we won't have any implementation reports
   Resolved: test freeze at end of September 2010 for 1.1SE CR report
   <scribe> ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before
   the freeze [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2872 - Check tests that need to be
   reviewed before the freeze [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-09-21].
SVG Integration
   ED: Are we trying to get it published so HTML5 is OK for HTML5 last
   call
   AG: I have new generated tables, committed them (checks)
   ... yes they are checked in. elements table complete
   ... attr table needs more work
   ED: Can we get HTML5 to reference this spec?
   DS: Yes, people are interested in integration issues especially
   implementors
   ... Jeff Schiller pointed out some issues with iframe/image/object
   recently
   ... will get this ready in next week or two
   ED: need to move on this before its too late
   CL: HTML WG discussed their schedule at HTCG
   DS: Several open actions on Integration
   ... Updated params spec and script implementation, will commit soon
   ED: Next FX tf next week? Is that too soon?
   adjourned
Summary of Action Items
   [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no
   status that have been published already [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before
   the freeze [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   [End of minutes]
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 Chris Lilley   Technical Director, Interaction Domain                 
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
 Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
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