- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:38:52 -0400
- To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
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http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
07 Oct 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
[Microsoft], ed, anthony, ChrisL, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah,
Shepazu
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]TPAC Issues
2. [5]ISSUE-2331
3. [6]ISSUE-2353
4. [7]ISSUE-2339
5. [8]Public-FX
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 07 October 2010
<ChrisL> anthony, are you in a position to quickly turn the crank to
update the test suite status?
<ChrisL> zakim +39 is tbah
<pdengler> scribeNick: pdengler
TPAC Issues
ed: ACTION: Setting up meeting with CSS Group
... Will there be a session for publicFX?
ChrisL: Yes, there will be a meeting for that task force
... No time yet established
... Will we need a phone
anthony: chance I'll be attending
ed: Will Tav be dialing in?
pdengler: what are our options for getting a phone?
ChrisL: I've asked for a regular call in phone
<ChrisL> a polycom bridge thing
ed: Got an email from Alex asking to fill out the form and asking
whether or not we need a flip cord
ChrisL: I already asked for this
<ChrisL> already asked for a polycom phone and a flip chart
ChrisL: they are allocating rooms
pdengler: If I have payed have i regesitered?
ChrisL: Not necessarily
<shepazu>
[10]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Svg
[10] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Svg
<ChrisL> [11]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
[11] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
<shepazu> [12]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
[12] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
shepazu: that's 6 of us if Tony can make it
pdengler: (galaga sounds)
<ChrisL> zakim who is making noise?
ed: Any items that we want on the agenda for TPAC
ChrisL: Are we expected to have implementations ready by then?
ed: I wanted that as another topic
... Unless we have the report it is not going to be done at the
time, and it depends upon how many tests there are
pdengler: We discussed that we wouldn't get this done mostly because
we want to get the microsoft tests reviewed and the analysis about
potential name chages from Microsoft for some of themn
ChrisL: I've done 'de-red-ding' (removing red)
... Which is why I was asking Anthony to run the status regen, but I
am basically down to basic shapes
... I wanted to get a better handle on how we were doing
anthony: I went through the test suite to generate the XML
impelementation report file and some just don't have approval
ChrisL: I think there are more now than there were yesterday
anthony: There were only 300 or so tests that had been accepted
ChrisL: last one that was run was a month ago
ed: When can we have then, the full list of tests?
ChrisL: I am 3/4 done.
pdengler: Does that include the ones Microsoft submitted?
ChrisL: No, mine was for the previous, older ones
... We should talk about the recent tests and go through those
pdengler: Last conf call we discussed Microsoft's effort to do an
all-up surface review to help modularize the test suite so
developers can understand the support for SVG better across
impelemntations
<ChrisL>
[13]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
us.html#
[13]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
anthony: I see 408 accepted tests now
ed: I would like to have the template ready to test before TPAC
What does testing before TPAC mean?
ed: If we have some preliminary results from some implementations,
we can start doing the implementation report
... we don't expect the tests that have already been accepted to
change, and we can therefore test and rely on those results
... the tests that are already accepted should be tested
<shepazu> scribeNick: shepazu
pdengler: I hear what you're saying...
... there's a set of tests that we all agree on and are stable
... and doug is saying this doesn't preclude us from recategorizing
them
... my question is, are we going to publish the results before the
recategorization and analysis
ChrisL: depends on what you mean by publish
... we need to get a sense of where we are, to push implementations
... this will not be the final implementation report that we publish
for transition from CR to PR to Rec
pdengler: so, with regard to new tests... we would like to submit a
few more tests for inclusion in the implementation report
ChrisL: we are open to reviewing them
ed: I think they are nice tests, just a matter of resources
ChrisL: I've reviewed about half of the new MS tests
... of the first lot
ed: I'd like to prioritize the tests relevant to second edition
pdengler: what was the quality of the tests, ChrisL?
<ed>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/014
0.html
[14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0140.html
ChrisL: the first tests had some errors, but they have improved over
time
... most are straightforward
... I haven't looked at the more recent batch
ed: the ones I've seen I had to adapt to the test framework, which
is a pita
pdengler: that's because SVG fonts is in the template
<ChrisL> which are used for labelling text. its not needed to pass
the tests
<ChrisL> i would expect the svg 2 test suite to use woff fonts
shepazu: I think we should go through some tests and report errors
that make them hard to review, so microsoft can improve conformance
to the template
<ed> some feedback from me on the last batch of tests:
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/013
6.html
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0136.html
<pdengler> shepazu: We will push through some spot testing (Doug,
Chris, maybe Tony) of recently submitted tests on Monday
<pdengler> pdengler: How about we adjust the tests based on the
feedback first (the tests we submitted0
<pdengler> pdengler: If that is before Monday we will let you know
<ChrisL> nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'
<pdengler> pdengler: plan is to start spot testing on Monday
<pdengler> anthony: I am redoing status report now
<pdengler> ChrisL: on the subject of implementations, alex danilo is
sending his work so I will run the tests
<pdengler> pdengler: I have some opinions on backward compat and
"promoting" attributes to properties at a high level which I am
still working through
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010OctDec/0013.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010OctDec/0013.html
<ed>
[17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
us.html
[17]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
<ed> think you need to install Image::Magick (via CPAN)
<anthony> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2331
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2331
ISSUE-2331
ISSUE-2353
<ChrisL> ISSUE-2353?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2353 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify coordinates for
feImage. -- raised
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353
[19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353
<ed>
[20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#Filter
PrimitiveSubRegion
[20]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#FilterPrimitiveSubRegion
<ed> "the default subregion is 0%,0%,100%,100%, where as a
special-case the percentages are relative to the dimensions of the
filter region, thus making the the default filter primitive
subregion equal to the filter region."
<ed>
[21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImag
eElement
[21]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImageElement
<anthony> Scribe: anthony
TB: The the change regarding that issue is fine
<ChrisL> issue-2339?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2339 -- Last Call Comment: definition of azimuth,
elevation for feDistantLight -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2339
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2339
ISSUE-2339
<shepazu> scribenick: anthony
AG: Hoping to have my investigation finished for the telcon nextweek
<ed> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/24
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/24
ED: That's the list of last call issues
CL: If people let me know when we are in good shape I'll do another
update
AG: Might be worth doing an update end of next week
Public-FX
ED: Noticed that CSS wanted to have premultiplied values for the
gradient interpolation
CL: The idea is to get around a grey effect that they didn't like
... I've made a change to CSS Color which says that transparent
gives you transparent black
DS: This touches on the topic before
... where SVG has a separate opacity
CL: Means that SVG needs to deal with RGBA
... and it the just need to multiply together
... it's not too hard for us to add that
... and we already have the infrustructure to add that
... Opera already implements that
ED: FF since v3.5 IIRC has that as well
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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