- From: Jonathan Watt <jwatt@jwatt.org>
- Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:39:15 +0000
- To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
Hello www-svg,
Minutes are at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html
and below as text.
SVG Working Group Teleconference
08 Feb 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Shepazu, jwatt, ed, anthony, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
Jonathan
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]f2f meetings
2. [5]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0008
.html #3F
3. [6]SVGSVGElement 'width' and 'height'
4. [7]ACTION-2676
5. [8]Proceeding with SVG 2.0
6. [9]SVG/CSS taskforce
7. [10]contentStyleType attribute
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 08 February 2010
scribenick jwatt
scribe Jonathan
<scribe> scribenick: jwatt
<scribe> scribe: Jonathan
f2f meetings
<ed> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings
[12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings
<ed> preliminary dates: May 24 - 26 and May 31 - June 1
DS: spread around Libre Graphics Meeting so that the LGM folks can
attend the last day and provide input
ED: doesn't look like we'll have a F2F in Q1
DS: agreed
JW: so the next F2F will be the LGM one
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0008.html #3F
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0008.html
SVGSVGElement 'width' and 'height'
<shepazu> [[
<shepazu> We're starting to get more concrete about the program of
LGM. As said, you are more than welcome to use the spaces at
Pianofabriek for the SVG meeting during LGM (and as artists /
designers we are more than interested in the conversation too!); it
would be good to know when you need what kind of space? How many
people more or less?
<shepazu> We have several larger and smaller spaces available
between 27 and 30 May; the actual conference is most likely going to
take place from 28 to 29 May. Depending on your needs, we might even
book extra rooms; I just need to know in advance!
<shepazu> ]]
DS: it seems that he misunderstood and thinks we wanted to hold the
F2F during the conference
... which isn't what we intended
... so I'll write and sort that out with him
<ed>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0021.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0021.html
ED: so back to SVGSVGElement 'width' and 'height'
... I sent the reply pasted just above
<ed> ACTION-2469?
<trackbot> ACTION-2469 -- Jonathan Watt to flesh out the intrinsic
sizing erratum with text backported from 1.2T -- due 2009-02-24 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2469
[15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2469
ACTION-2676
JW: I'll work on getting the intrinsic sizing clarification
backported to 1.1 2nd ed for monday
<ed> ED: committed some new wording in svgdom.html, feel free to
read and comment
ACTION-2676?
<trackbot> ACTION-2676 -- Erik Dahlström to fix the 1.1 second
edition wording for values that are accessed where no attribute was
provided,
[16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/svgdom.html#SVGDOMO
verview and have it be NaN or 0 with unknown unit depending on the
type of domobject -- due 2009-10-06 -- OPEN
[16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/svgdom.html#SVGDOMOverview
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2676
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2676
<ed>
[18]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/svgdom-over-01-f.s
vg
[18] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/svgdom-over-01-f.svg
<ed> [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/svgdom.html
[19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/svgdom.html
Proceeding with SVG 2.0
DS: I put together a few pages
... duplicated the 1.2 Tiny directory
... this was a little while ago, so I forget how close I got to
getting it to build
... the best thing for me to do is probably to just upload that
... I wouldn't mind working from a wiki for certain issues
... I think if we start putting things in the including issues and
things like that, we may only *feel* like we're making progress
... we could have a spec convention or something to mark up areas of
the spec that are in need of review
... add that as we make changes that need review
CL: so put classes on divs etc
... we could have classes denoting text from 1.1, a class for text
from 1.2 Tiny, a class for unreviewed new stuff
DS: and a class for reviewed stuff
ED: how far along with the framework are you
DS: not very
... I didn't want to just copy 1.1 text
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to upload his start on the SVG 2.0 framework
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2725 - Upload his start on the SVG 2.0
framework [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-15].
JW: so what I'd like is a feed that gives you wiki style colored
diffs of changes as they happen to the spec
... because looking through CVS changes is a pain, especally when
you just changed a single word in a long line, etc
DS: our systems team is really overloaded and not open or even able
to work on something like that
... if we work on that I think we'd just end up hampering our
efforts
... maybe if Mozilla could sponsor that (or even other better spec
writing tools) then I'd really love that
... but right now we just don't have the budget
... and whatever was put is place would have to be something that
the systems team could administer
JW: I think if we pulled it off it would save time in the long run
... but point taken
ED: when can you have the framework uploaded, Doug?
DS: Thursday
SVG/CSS taskforce
DS: so we haven't heard back from the CSS WG formally, but I believe
they said "yes"
... since we can't meet with them in California because of
scheduling conflicts, I'm going to suggest interested parties join
in for 30 min or so on this or next Thursday's telcon
... next would probably be better
... we basically need to start meeting with one another to start
making progress
... or it's going to fade into "that would have been a good idea"
... there's almost no overhead to create/dissolve a task force
... I can start a charter for it, and we can discuss it further on
Thursday
... just for 30 min or so
... get the conversation started
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to start on a SVG/CSS taskforce charter, and
invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2726 - Start on a SVG/CSS taskforce
charter, and invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon [on Doug
Schepers - due 2010-02-15].
ED: we should look at the testsuite in more detail to make sure
there are no bugs in it related to the recent emails regarding tests
to the list
<ed> (that was about www-svg feedback)
contentStyleType attribute
[22]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/styling.html#DefaultStyleSheetLanguag
e
[22] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/styling.html#DefaultStyleSheetLanguage
test is
[23]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-elem-02-b.
svg
[23] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-elem-02-b.svg
DS: XSL?
CL: no, XSL isn't used inline like that
... so it would only be useful for a future styling language that
would sweep away CSS
... so I'd be happy to deprecate it
<scribe> ACTION: jwatt to come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd saying
contentStyleType is deprecated [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2727 - Come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd
saying contentStyleType is deprecated [on Jonathan Watt - due
2010-02-15].
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: then we can obsolete it in 2.0
RRSAgent: publish minutes
RRSAgent: end telcon
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to start on a SVG/CSS taskforce charter, and
invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to upload his start on the SVG 2.0 framework
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: jwatt to come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd saying
contentStyleType is deprecated [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
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