- From: ~:'' ありがとうございました。 <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:41:32 +0000
- To: www-svg List <www-svg@w3.org>
- Cc: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
flickr indicates the huge commercial and social benefits in providing
a simple means to share images.
SVG has singularly failed to provide anything even vaguely similar.
One reason being the difficulty in repurposing svg graphics, which
this bug seeks to ameliorate.
Another being the failure to ensure <title> content is included in
documents.
However whilst at the corporate level there is little problem
providing any one of a number of means to label images by category,
as an individual, it seems there may be another semantic deficiency
with the spec:
<use> enables the author to provide a number of internal and external
referenced svg graphics in a category document, including
agglomeration of categories. However there may be significant
problems scaling externally referenced svg graphics.
<image> (will?) scale externally referenced svg graphics, but there
is no possibility of relying on, or agglomerating other authors
categories by document via <image>.
it might be possible to reference category documents of <images> with
#ids with <use> but this seems a somewhat unnecessary and unreliably
complex methodology for something that is clearly required by many
and should be simple to create.
In particular, people with learning disabilities, like us all rely on
a limited set of images, and they will benefit from simple methods
that allow them to create and share private categories of images.
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
j.chetwynd@btinternet.com
http://www.peepo.com/
+44 (0) 20 7978 1764
On 11 Mar 2008, at 22:28, bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org wrote:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5560
Summary: Image inclusion with <image> depends on referent's
coords
Product: SVG
Version: SVG 1.1 Full
Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
Component: Coordinate Systems
AssignedTo: schepers@w3.org
ReportedBy: mark@kli.org
QAContact: www-svg@w3.org
You can include an image in an SVG, and if it is a raster image, you can
specify its size and position in the local (referring) SVG's
coordinate system
and everything will scale just right no matter what size the actual
PNG is.
e.g., <image x="-50" y="-50" width="100" height="100"
xlink:href="pic.png"/>
will have the picture centered on (0,0) in the current co-ordinate
system and
stretching from -50 to 50 in whichever dimension is its largest, no
matter how
big pic.png really is. This cannot be done if the included image is
an SVG,
making SVGs actually *less* scalable and portable than raster images,
which
seems to defeat their purpose. The specs say:
"The value of the 'viewBox' attribute to use when evaluating the
preserveAspectRatio attribute is defined by the referenced content.
For content
that clearly identifies a viewBox (e.g. an SVG file with the 'viewBox'
attribute on the outermost svg element) that value should be used."
Which is probably necessary for some applications, but it should be
defeasible.
There ought to be a way for the referring SVG to force the viewBox
to be
scaled into its own co-ordinates, so we can do the same sort of thing
as can be
done with raster images. The SVG being included might not be under
the same
control and authorship as the referring SVG, and the spec seems to
assume it
is. Maybe something like a "useLocalCoords='yes'" attribute or
something?
Received on Wednesday, 12 March 2008 09:41:55 UTC