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Re: [css-counter-styles] feedback “lower-greek”

From: Lea Verou <lea@verou.me>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:35:03 +0200
Cc: www-style list <www-style@w3.org>
Message-Id: <513E47E5-64A9-44AA-8780-0D15A0741E2A@verou.me>
To: George Schizas <gschizas@gmail.com>
As a fellow Greek, I can attest that this is correct. I thought the Greek counter style had been fixed, but from a quick look in the spec it looks like it hasn’t. I vaguely remember discussing it with Tab a while ago, but maybe it wasn’t about the numbers themselves…

Tab, at the very least, even if you can’t/don’t want to follow these rules for the higher numbers, at least please follow them for the smaller numbers. If it doesn't go to στ after ε, trust me, it will be pretty useless in Greece. Not many people (even in Greece) know what happens after 10, but everyone knows the first 10, as they’re used very widely in modern Greek.

Lea Verou ✿ http://lea.verou.me ✿ @leaverou







On Dec 22, 2014, at 18:58, George Schizas <gschizas@gmail.com> wrote:

> In regards to the “lower-greek” counter style, this is not the common practice. The commonly used greek numbering style is not α, β, γ, …, ω, αα, αβ. The preferred Greek numbering system, that is used in ancient and modern Greek is the following:
> 
> α, β, γ, δ, ε, στ or ς, ζ, η, θ (1..9)
> ι, ια, ιβ, ιγ, … ιθ (10..19)
> ι, κ, λ, μ, ν, ξ, ο, π, ϟ (10..90)
> ρ, ρα, ρβ, … ρθ (100..109)
> ρι, ρια, ριβ, …, ριθ (110, 119)
> ρ, σ, τ, υ, φ, χ, ψ, ω, ϡ (100...900)
> 
> So, it’s much like “armenian”, “lower-armenian”, “georgian” and “hebrew”. There is one difference though. To signify numbers larger than 1000, the 1..999 range is repeated, but with the symbol “͵” (U+0375) on the left. Typically you also need another the symbol “ʹ” (U+0374) on the right, but this can be omitted. I’m not sure how to represent this in the @counter-style way. In this fashion, 2014 would be written as ͵κιεʹ (=2000+10+4) and 996996 would be written as ͵ϡϟστϡϟστ or ͵ϡϟστϡϟστʹ or even ͵ϡϟϛϡϟϛʹ.
> 
> @counter-style greek-lower-modern {
>   system: additive;
>   range: 1 999;
>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E1, 800 \3C9, 700 \3C8, 600 \3C7, 500 \3C6, 400 \3C5, 300 \3C4, 200 \3C3, 100 \3C1, 90 \3DF, 80 \3C0, 70 \3BF, 60 \3BE, 50 \3BD, 40 \3BC, 30 \3BB, 20 \3BA, 10 \3B9, 9 \3B8, 8 \3B7, 7 \3B6, 6 \3C3\3C4, 5 \3B5, 4 \3B4, 3 \3B3, 2 \3B2, 1 \3B1
> /*900 ϡ, 800 ω, 700 ψ, 600 χ, 500 φ, 400 υ, 300 τ, 200 σ, 100 ρ, 90 ϟ, 80 π, 70 ο, 60 ξ, 50 ν, 40 μ, 30 λ, 20 κ, 10 ι, 9 θ, 8 η, 7 ζ, 6 στ, 5 ε, 4 δ, 3 γ, 2 β, 1 α*/
> }
> 
> @counter-style greek-upper-modern {
>   system: additive;
>   range: 1 999;
>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E0, 800 \3A8, 700 \3A7, 600 \3A6, 500 \3A5, 400 \3A4, 300 \3A3, 200 \3A2, 100 \3A1, 90 \3DE, 80 \3A0, 70 \39F, 60 \39E, 50 \39D, 40 \39C, 30 \39B, 20 \39A, 10 \399, 9 \398, 8 \397, 7 \396, 6 \3A3\3A4, 5 \395, 4 \394, 3 \393, 2 \392, 1 \391
> /*900 Ϡ, 800 Ω, 700 Ψ, 600 Χ, 500 Φ, 400 Υ, 300 Τ, 200 Σ, 100 Ρ, 90 Ϟ, 80 Π, 70 Ο, 60 Ξ, 50 Ν, 40 Μ, 30 Λ, 20 Κ, 10 Ι, 9 Θ, 8 Η, 7 Ζ, 6 ΣΤ, 5 Ε, 4 Δ, 3 Γ, 2 Β, 1 Α*/
> }
> 
> 
> @counter-style greek-lower-ancient {
>   system: additive;
>   range: 1 999;
>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E1, 800 \3C9, 700 \3C8, 600 \3C7, 500 \3C6, 400 \3C5, 300 \3C4, 200 \3C3, 100 \3C1, 90 \3DF, 80 \3C0, 70 \3BF, 60 \3BE, 50 \3BD, 40 \3BC, 30 \3BB, 20 \3BA, 10 \3B9, 9 \3B8, 8 \3B7, 7 \3B6, 6 \3DB, 5 \3B5, 4 \3B4, 3 \3B3, 2 \3B2, 1 \3B1
> /*900 ϡ, 800 ω, 700 ψ, 600 χ, 500 φ, 400 υ, 300 τ, 200 σ, 100 ρ, 90 ϟ, 80 π, 70 ο, 60 ξ, 50 ν, 40 μ, 30 λ, 20 κ, 10 ι, 9 θ, 8 η, 7 ζ, 6 ϛ, 5 ε, 4 δ, 3 γ, 2 β, 1 α*/
> }
> 
> @counter-style greek-upper-ancient {
>   system: additive;
>   range: 1 999;
>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E0, 800 \3A8, 700 \3A7, 600 \3A6, 500 \3A5, 400 \3A4, 300 \3A3, 200 \3A2, 100 \3A1, 90 \3DE, 80 \3A0, 70 \39F, 60 \39E, 50 \39D, 40 \39C, 30 \39B, 20 \39A, 10 \399, 9 \398, 8 \397, 7 \396, 6 \3DA, 5 \395, 4 \394, 3 \393, 2 \392, 1 \391
> /*900 Ϡ, 800 Ω, 700 Ψ, 600 Χ, 500 Φ, 400 Υ, 300 Τ, 200 Σ, 100 Ρ, 90 Ϟ, 80 Π, 70 Ο, 60 Ξ, 50 Ν, 40 Μ, 30 Λ, 20 Κ, 10 Ι, 9 Θ, 8 Η, 7 Ζ, 6 Ϛ, 5 Ε, 4 Δ, 3 Γ, 2 Β, 1 Α*/
> }
>  
> George Schizas
> about.me/gschizas
> 


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