- From: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:00:16 +0900
- To: Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>
- Cc: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>, W3C Style <www-style@w3.org>
I'm also good to allow just "over" and "under", and it looks like fantasai was good as well 4 months ago. Let's see if she'd jump in, and I'll make edits if not. /koji On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:42 AM, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net> > wrote: >> >> On 09/23/2014 09:44 AM, Glenn Adams wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp >>> <mailto:kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>> wrote: >>> >>> > Since text can't be both horizontal and vertical WM at the same >>> time, then what is the meaning of specifying both? >>> >>> It allows having this property in the root of the document, or in the >>> UA default stylesheet, using lang selector, and it’d >>> do the right thing regardless of the writing modes. >>> >>> >>> ok, but let me ask a follow up question, would you expect to see use of >>> the >>> combinations "over left" or "under right"? >> >> >> I've a vague recollection that "under right" was used for PRC Chinese. >> Could be that's just for emphasis dots, though, whose syntax we wanted >> to match: >> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-decor-3/#text-emphasis-position-property >> >> We can adjust the grammar to allow just "over" and "under" on their own, >> if that's easier, but we are definitely are not using "before" and >> "after". > > > Do you have any use case of ruby annotation with the combination "over left" > or "under right"? I don't see any relevant use case in our use cases > document [1], and a handbook from Taiwan [2] doesn't show any use cases like > that, either. Hence I wonder if there is really any use case for those > combinations. If you do have use cases, I guess it's probably better to put > it somewhere as a reference. > > In addition, even if there are use cases, I guess it is not common enough > for us to have specific grammar for them. I think it is better to leave > those uncommon cases with a slightly more complicated stylesheet, but make > the common cases happy. Because at least, people have to use stylesheet to > change the writing mode of a piece of text. They can simply change > ruby-position in addition when they do that, if it is truly necessary. > > And at very least, I think we should make the grammar allow only one value. > In addition, maybe we could also allow start and end, and let them be > computed to the pairs according to writing mode. When I test my ruby code, > it has been really annoying to have to always write a pair of values even > when I only want one of them. > > - Xidorn > > [1]: http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/ > [2]: > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ev8yh5nb9488o8n/AADssbd4gljy-P6jaw6-Z1lba/mandarin_zhuyinfuhou_handbook.pdf?dl=0
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