- From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
- Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 15:51:43 +0000
- To: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
- CC: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@gmail.com>, Jet Villegas W3C <w3c@junglecode.net>, Dean Jackson <dino@apple.com>, "liam@w3.org" <liam@w3.org>, Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, Simon Fraser <simon.fraser@apple.com>
Hi,
Starting to look at the image function again. IMO it makes sense to base the syntax and behavior of a sliced-image() on the ‘border-image’ shorthand[1]. (Type names shortened in this mail.)
border-image: [ <image> | none ] || <image-slice> [ / <image-width>? [ / <image-outset>]? ]? || <image-repeat>
with:
<image-slice> = [ <length> | <percentage> | <number> | auto ]{1,4}
<image-width> = [ <length> | <percentage> | <number> | auto ]{1,4}
<image-outset> = [ <length> | <number> ]{1,4}
<image-repeat> = [ stretch | repeat | round | space ]{1,2}
The area for 'border-image' is determined by the border-box. The area can be extended with 'border-outset’. CSS Image already specifies an image area for a bunch of properties. Other properties like ‘background’ and ‘mask’ specify their own image area. I think the function shouldn’t try to mess up with these definitions and therefore I suggest to leaf <image-outset> and <image-width> out of the equation for now.
sliced-image(
[ <image> | <string> ] || <image-slice> || <image-repeat>
)
If needed we can add "[ / <image-width>? [ / <image-outset>]? ]?" later. The function would follow the definitions of 'border-image-*’ properties otherwise.
Greetings,
Dirk
[1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-backgrounds-3/#border-image
On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I believe that things like this should first be attempted as
>>> functions, and if they end up too complex (which it probably will), we
>>> just give up and try to add it to SVG instead. The only problem there
>>> is that we don't have an easy way to embed SVG in CSS, which is a
>>> problem we can and should fix separately.
>>
>> I interpret your mail that you would like to see the image function before we introduce new properties (introduce in specifications since they are already there).
>
> Right. The argument's simple; almost anything you might want to do
> with an image, you want to be able to do it to images everywhere.
> Limiting it to one context via properties (or spreading it piecemeal
> by adding N sets of properties one by one) is bad.
>
>> I am generally fine with that but fear that a mockup, the draft and the final implementation would take a lot longer than specifying the implementation we already have. I can be convinced though.
>>
>> We can start from what we have in 'border-image' and take a look what is needed to take over:
>>
>> * border-image-source: <image> | none
>>
>> This on is kind of obvious, we need to reference the <image>: sliced-image(<image> …)
>>
>> * border-image-slice: [<number> | <percentage>]{1,4} && fill?
>>
>> This is the important part that defines the regions to slice the image. ‘fill’ removes the middle part. I do not think that we need ‘fill’. sliced-image(<image> [<number> | <percentage>]{1,4} …)
>
> Right, removing the center is a very border-image specific thing. If
> you really want to reproduce it yourself, just make the center of your
> image transparent.
>
>> * border-image-width
>>
>> This defines the regions in which we draw the 9 sliced image parts.
>>
>> * border-image-outset
>>
>> How much does the border image area extend the border box. Again, useful but not necessarily helpful within the image function.
>>
>> * border-image-repeat
>>
>> Shall a tile be repeated, stretched, repeated as long as it fits, repeated as long as it fits into the border image area but with equal space?
>>
>> I think it gets clear that we can represent the first two properties in the sliced-image() function. The last three are important for the actual visual output. Currently I am unsure how they can be represent in the image itself. It feels more like this needs to be done by the property using the sliced-image() function.
>
> Depends on how you're envisioning things. Creating a 9-sliced image
> as an abstract thing, only the first two are necessary, and you apply
> the other three via some other function at time of use. But you can
> also do the whole thing at once at time of use. Depends on how much
> abstraction you want. border-image suggests that you don't need to
> define the 9-slice as a separate thing, and it's okay to pull them all
> together.
>
> ~TJ
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