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Re: Resolutions regarding fragments

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:40:31 -0800
Message-ID: <CAAWBYDAd3Zx+-QftjLMonv+vWyRmV=VwR02TS+YBuEj0K4YZEQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Robert O'Callahan" <robert@ocallahan.org>
Cc: www-style <www-style@w3.org>
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org>
>> wrote:
>> > I do not understand this:
>> >>
>> >>   dbaron: 4 wrenches:  content box, padding box, border box, margin box
>> >>   dbaron: could use * edge, * rectangle
>> >>   SimonSapin: * area
>> >>   fantasai: area already has an incompatible definition, and these
>> >> terms
>> >>             are used consistently all throughout our specs
>> >>   RESOLVED: Don't use "element", "box", or "fragment" in new terms that
>> >>             aren't elements, boxes, or fragments.  Where possible,
>> >>             convert old terminology accordingly as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > How was dbaron's issue resolved?
>> Yeah, it wasn't.  Note that the resolution covers *new* terms, and
>> says to convert old terms *where possible*.  We hadn't come up with
>> any good names for content/etc-box, so it stays as it is for now.
> Okay, so the current situation is:
> -- 'element': straightforward
> -- 'box': a logical CSS thing, doesn't really have a shape, or if it does
> it's not necessarily rectangular, 1 per element except where anonymous boxes
> are present
> -- 'fragment': each box splits into one or more fragments
> -- 'content/padding/border/margin box': one per fragment, rectangular
> Is that correct?


> I believe there are a number of places that need to be converted from
> element to box, and also a number of places that need to be converted from
> box to fragment --- especially in CSS 2.1. Are we going to retrofit CSS 2.1?
> If not, I think it needs a big warning somewhere explaining how to do the
> translation, especially for the parts of CSS 2.1 that haven't yet been
> superceded by CSS3 modules.

2.1'll be the big project.  We can at least start with the more modern
specs and retrofit them - Flexbox already has some element/box
confusion that needs fixing, so we can use it as a testbed for
clearing up box/fragment confusion as well.

> Are we going to keep talking about the "position" and "size" of a box, given
> it no longer has a real shape? If so, what exactly would that mean?

We really shouldn't.  This'll take some time and effort to rewrite,

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