- From: Florian Rivoal <florianr@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 23:02:59 +0200
- To: www-style@w3.org
On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:23:25 +0200, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
wrote:
>> From: Florian Rivoal [mailto:florianr@opera.com]
>> If I am reading the spec right, when the hanging-punctuation property
>> is set to force-end,
>> and text-align is left in ltr text or right in rtl text, if effectively
>> causes a single line to be
>> justified.
>
> No it does not. It first defines what characters can hang and when for
> each value, then the next paragraph defines what the "hang" means in
> this context:
>
> | When a punctuation mark hangs, it is not considered when
> | measuring the line's contents for fit, alignment, or justification.
>
> This feature may require you to change the way you think slightly. It
> defines how UA measures the line's content, and punctuation hangs as a
> result of that.
>
>> The spec does not say if this single line justification is expected to
>> follow the justification
>> method determined by text-justify or not. I think it should follow
>> text-justify.
>
> Correct. It doesn't affect text-justify, text-align, or any other
> properties.
>
>> If text-align is justify, my understanding is that
>> hanging-punctuation:force-end and
>> hanging-punctuation:allow-end would give the same result. Is that
>> correct?
>
> Example 17 shows how "allow-end" and "force-end" differ from each other.
> "force-end" measures the line without stop or comma even if it fits,
> while "allow-end" does so only if it doesn't fit.
I am confused: Does example 17 assume that text-align is set to left or to
justify? If I understand you correctly, it assumes that text-align is
justify. Do you mean that if it had been left, this would happen:
text-align:left; hanging-punctuation:none;
|ab cde, |
text-align:left; hanging-punctuation:force-end;
|ab cde |,
If yes, the exsting example should be modified so that its style reads "p
{text-align:justify;hanging-punctuation:force-end;}", and the case with
text-align:left should be shown as well.
If that's not what you mean, then what do you mean?
>> If text-align is right in ltr text or left in rtl text, I am not
>> entirely sure what the expected
>> behavior is. In the following examples, the '|' character marks where
>> the padding starts.
>>
>> text-align:right; hanging-punctuation:none;
>> | some words.|
>>
>> text-align:right; hanging-punctuation:force-end;text-justify:inter-word;
>> | some words|.
>> [...]
>> The first interpretation shifts the line.
>
> The first one, because what the property changes is how UA measures the
> content. UA measures the line without the ending stop, then align right.
>
> If you use "allow-end" against this example, it has no effect, because
> the line fits without hanging.
I am happy with this behavior, but I don't think the text makes that very
clear.
>> If text-align is center or <string>, I am even more at loss when trying
>> to imagine what the
>> expected behavior is.
>
> I hope it's clear now, UA measures string without the ending stop, and
> center the line, if "force-end".
Do you mean this?
text-align:center; hanging-punctuation:force-end;
| ab c de |,
text-align: "." center; hanging-punctuation:force-end;
| 1234.56 |,
| 1.2 |,
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