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Re: [css4-selectors] Focused descendant pseudo class

From: Chris Eppstein <chris@eppsteins.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:22:55 -0800
Message-Id: <AB0A57F9-0A02-45D1-A5F9-3D3CBF0DF239@eppsteins.net>
Cc: Brian Kardell <bkardell@gmail.com>, Lea Verou <leaverou@gmail.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
To: Matthew Wilcox <elvendil@gmail.com>
!important must be very confusing for you!!!

(note: the three ! at the end of my sentence should not be interpreted as negations)

Hunt & pecked on my iPhone... Sorry if it's brief!

On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Matthew Wilcox <elvendil@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd read ! as not, in fact I just did reviewing the thread. It even made me frown in confusion.
> On 26 January 2012 11:31, Brian Kardell <bkardell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes ,I understand the theory behind it.  However, theory and practice are two different things.  As I said last year, in a quick straw poll of half a dozen or so folks who use css on a daily basis, literally every one of them thought that examples from the list, wiki and draft that I provided meant "not".  
> Maybe it is just something that has to be well explained (I would definitely add to the draft in that respect if kept) ...  I don't want to lead this back into a huge discussion unless it is really time to have it.  My whole point there is merely that if there is any risk of causing additional confusion, why not just pick another.
> On Jan 26, 2012 4:34 AM, "Lea Verou" <leaverou@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26/1/12 02:08, Brian Kardell wrote:
> Yes, I recall that ... and several people read ! as "not" which is where
> ? came from I think.  Its bike shedding to an extent, I admit, but I
> don't think without value to discard problematic ideas early on in favor
> of less problematic ones....
> ! as "not" is a prefix operator, not a postfix one, as the one currently defined in the selectors4 draft. So, FWIW I don't think there's going to be any such confusion.
> I actually thought it's a great idea that it was changed to a ! since that's what we use in natural language too in order to highlight something important.
> -- 
> Lea Verou (http://lea.verou.me | @LeaVerou)

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