- From: Richard Fink <rfink@readableweb.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:50:39 +0100
- To: "'John Daggett'" <jdaggett@mozilla.com>, "'Sergey Malkin'" <sergeym@microsoft.com>
- Cc: <www-style@w3.org>, "'www-font'" <www-font@w3.org>, "'Sylvain Galineau'" <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Sergey Malkin wrote:
> One more clarification is needed, though, regarding use of
> artificial styles. In case where font-style descriptor is not
> specified, spec says "default values are assumed". What is default
> value? Is this equivalent to specified "font-style:normal"?
>
> Consider following example:
>
> @font-face {
> font-family: MyFont1;
> src: local(Arial);
> }
>
> @font-face {
> font-family: MyFont2;
> src: local(Arial);
> font-style:normal;
> }
>
> Will following two lines be rendered identically? They will both use
> regular Arial face. But will each of them be allowed to use
> generated oblique font?
>
> <div style="font-family:MyFont1; font-style:italic;">Abc</div>
> <div style="font-family:MyFont2; font-style:italic;">Abc</div>
I, too, would expect an italic to be synthesized in both cases, absolutely.
And I believe the majority of web authors would implicitly assume the same, as well. Anything else would feel like a departure. It would be puzzling.
Regards,
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: www-font-request@w3.org [mailto:www-font-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of John Daggett
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:27 AM
To: Sergey Malkin
Cc: www-style@w3.org; www-font; Sylvain Galineau
Subject: Re: [css3-fonts] @font-face matching and font-style descriptor
Sergey Malkin wrote:
> One more clarification is needed, though, regarding use of
> artificial styles. In case where font-style descriptor is not
> specified, spec says "default values are assumed". What is default
> value? Is this equivalent to specified "font-style:normal"?
>
> Consider following example:
>
> @font-face {
> font-family: MyFont1;
> src: local(Arial);
> }
>
> @font-face {
> font-family: MyFont2;
> src: local(Arial);
> font-style:normal;
> }
>
> Will following two lines be rendered identically? They will both use
> regular Arial face. But will each of them be allowed to use
> generated oblique font?
>
> <div style="font-family:MyFont1; font-style:italic;">Abc</div>
> <div style="font-family:MyFont2; font-style:italic;">Abc</div>
The default value of descriptors in @font-face rules are listed as the
"Initial value", i.e. the value specified if no descriptor is
explicitly defined. The initial values of font-style descriptors is
"normal", so the two rules you've defined are equivalent. User agents
will synthesize an italic face if needed.
As for *how* a user agent does this, I think there are a number of
weird edge cases. For example:
@font-face {
font-family: MyFont3;
src: local(Arial Italic);
font-style: normal;
}
Should the browser add extra oblique to an already italic face if it's
the single "normal" face defined for a family? I think it probably
makes sense to allow user agents to treat already italicized font data
as a "synthesized" version. I don't think we should have a
conformance requirement that user agents oblique already
italic faces.
Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> It should probably say "initial value", which is defined for every property.
Agreed, although I would note these are *not* properties but descriptors.
Regards,
John Daggett
Received on Tuesday, 14 September 2010 10:51:07 UTC