- From: Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin <aharon@google.com>
- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:03:24 -0400
- To: W3C style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>, "public-i18n-bidi@w3.org" <public-i18n-bidi@w3.org>
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The following is a proposal for some bidi-related changes to CSS3 Lists<http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-lists/> . 1. An additional list-related property: list-style-direction. The property would determine the direction of the list marker, when it is a separate box, i.e. when list-item-position is "outside". The effects of the marker's direction include: - The location of the marker box, since it is on the "start" side of list-style-direction. For example, with list-item-direction:ltr, the marker box is to the left of the list item. - The bidirectional ordering of the marker text. For example, with list-item-direction:rtl, the marker text "1." is displayed visually as ".1". list-style-direction would take one of the following values: - ltr - rtl - match-list - match-item For backward compatibility with CSS2, the default value would be match-item. Note, however, that since the marker box is displayed in the margin, and since a list by default only creates a margin on its start side, match-item works poorly for list items whose direction is opposite to the list's direction. This is the reason why currently, most or all of the marker is invisible for such items in all major browsers. Furthermore, it turns out that in many or most use cases (at least in Hebrew, Arabic, and Persian), the preferred look is to have all markers appear on the same side, even though different items have different direction. Thus, we would really want the default to be match-list, but can not make it so because of CSS2 behavior. As a workaround, we therefore propose that the default style sheet would specify list-item-direction:match-list for all ol and ul elements. 2. Currently, there is no interoperability regarding whether text-align applies to the list item marker when list-item-position is "outside". IE, Firefox and Opera keep the marker with the item, i.e. apply the alignment to the marker. WebKit, on the other hand, applies the alignment only to the item, but keeps the marker location constant regardless of text-align. As a result, there is a big difference between the way <ul style="text-align:end> is displayed in WebKit and the other browsers. I bring this up in this context because the same issue would come up for list-style-direction:match-list in combination with text-align:start as it applies to opposite-direction items. IMHO, WebKit's approach here is more useful. When users want the marker kept together with the item, they should use list-style-position:inside. With list-style-position:outside, the markers should line up. Aharon
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