- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:54:38 -0800
- To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Summary: - RESOLVED: Clarify that fantasai's response to PFWG's comment on css3-background is official. - LC on Fonts WG's WOFF: http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/ - LC on WebAPI WG's Progress Events: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ - Reviewed status of CSS2.1 Test Suite - Telecons cancelled for the holidays: 29th - RESOLVED: Make it undefined in CSS2.1 whether forced break before first page creates a :first page or a blank page ====== Full minutes below ====== Present: David Baron Bert Bos Arron Eicholz Elika Etemad Simon Fraser Daniel Glazman Koji Ishii John Jansen Håkon Wium Lie Chris Lilley Peter Linss Daniel Weck (late) Steve Zilles <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-CSS-irc Scribe: fantasai Administrative -------------- glazou: One extra agenda item from ChrisL glazou: anything else? CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders ---------------------------- glazou: What is the status of css3-background? fantasai: I don't know. glazou: Were there comments from other WGs that weren't responded to? fantasai: Not that I know of. Certainly not from PFWG -- those were responded to. ChrisL summarizes the situation. ChrisL: We have a timeline of what happened posted to our WG list, but nothing has been communicated to PFWG yet. Bert: I see that fantasai already added the issue to the DoC. Bert: I don't have a date yet for the telecon with the director. Bert: I'm not sure what else we do? glazou: If we have nothing to do that's fine, I just wanted a short report. ChrisL: I was saying, we have our story straight, but we haven't communicated back to WAI-PF Bert: So sounds like we should have a resolution to affirm fantasai's response <ChrisL> yes lets clarify the official position RESOLVED: fantasai's reply is official ACTION Glazman: send response <trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Send response to WAI PF [on Daniel Glazman - due 2010-12-15]. fantasai: Does this mean that every time PFWG sends a comment, if my response is a clarifying question to them, we need a group resolution that the response is official before they will reply? Bert: Yes. ChrisL notes that Tracker can now have cross-wg issues <ChrisL> got a link to the timeline? <Bert> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Dec/0004.html Fantasai's timeline of the WAI issue WOFF Last Call WD ----------------- <glazou> http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/ ChrisL: LC on WOFF ChrisL: We have tried to keep WOFF orthogonal with CSS ChrisL: But it would be nice to get comments from someone in this WG not on the Fonts WG ChrisL: Even if the comment is "no comment" ACTION glazou: review WOFF <trackbot> Created ACTION-278 - Review WOFF [on Daniel Glazman - due 2010-12-15]. Progress Events --------------- <glazou> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ glazou: LC comments due Jan 13 http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ ACTION everyone: review and send comments on WebAPI Progress Events draft CSS2.1 Test Suite ----------------- glazou: Chris, I saw you sent a message about Prince an hour ago ChrisL: I ran all the paged media tests and the tests that don't have two passes ChrisL: About 250 tests howcome: Excellent work. <howcome> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2010Dec/0117.html fantasai: I still haven't made it through all the issues reported against the test suite <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/harness/results?s=CSS21_%HTML_RC3&t=0&f[]=1&f[]=4&f[]=8&f[]=16 fantasai: It's the only thing I'm working on, though, so I can't go any faster... howcome: Chris's results haven't been imported yet Peter: ChrisL, I sent you a link that shows the tests that are needed in the order that they're needed Peter: It's the same way as entering data for browsers, except it overrides the UA string to say it's Prince +danielweck <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/harness/testcase?s=CSS21_HTML_RC3&u=435&o=1 <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/harness/testcase?s=CSS21_XHTML_RC3&u=435&o=1 Peter: If you use either of these to URLs, it will show tests in the order most needed for Prince. Peter: wrt broken lists in the page there, it's because the harness doesn't know there's one test suite with two formats Peter: It thinks there are two test suites, and I just had it allow wildcards in the test suite names Peter: Once I get reftest support in the harness, I'll work on that Peter: The harness says that 80 tests need additional results, and may or may not have two passes when we import Prince's results Peter: 26 tests with blocking failures means one or more engines need to fix their bugs to get passes <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/harness/results?s=CSS21_HTML_RC3&t=0&f[]=1&f[]=4&f[]=8&f[]=16 arron: Maybe we should do another RC just to get the updated tests out there fantasai: I can push another release out today. What's blocking me is fixing the rest of the tests. arronei: Let's just publish RC4, and fix the rest for RC5 ACTION fantasai: publish RC4 asap, push remaining fixes to RC5 <trackbot> Created ACTION-280 Holiday Schedule ---------------- glazou: Question related to the schedule: Who is going to be away during the holiday season? <szilles> I will be away from the 22nd thru 3rd of Jan plinss_: HP officially shuts down from 22nd to Jan 3rd. I won't be going anywhere <dbaron> I'll be on the east coast for a bit, but will likely be able to call in. fantasai: I'll be flying on the 22nd, but available on the 29th <johnjan> I'll be offline from the 20th - 3rd <oyvind> (I'll be offline, including 29th) <sylvaing> I'll be out Christmas week. arronei: I'm going to be around until the end of the year, so should be able to address any MS comments arronei: Will do impl report with new RC soon as well <Bert> I'm unavailable on 22 and 29, and almost certainly also on 5. Telecon cancelled on the 29th CSS2.1 :first Page Selectors After Page Break --------------------------------------------- howcome: I had an action point to look into a test howcome: first-page-selectors-003 <howcome> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Nov/0421.html howcome: It would be good to resolve whether it is valid howcome: It's not clear right now. howcome: We may want it to be valid howcome: But we'd have to change the spec slightly howcome: Question is if you force a break before the first page, is the first actual page selected by :first? oyvind thinks the first page that is not printed should match :first howcome: It's more useful if you select something that's there. howcome: I think it makes more sense to select the first thing that's printed howcome: But if we are to do that, we probably need to change CSS2.1 <oyvind> I have no strong opinions on what it should match, but I think the spec needs to be clarified fantasai: It would be a clarification -- the spec right now is quite vague fantasai: This was certainly the intent in CSS3 Paged Media. There is no other way to specify whether the first page is a left or right page johnjan: I'd like a day or two to make sure Alex is comfortable with it http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/page.html#page-selectors howcome: What we're putting here is really a hack to say whether the first page is :left or :right Bert: I've used forced page breaks to create a blank first page glazou: Both interpretations are useful; but we have to pick one fantasai: We could leave this undefined for 2.1 howcome: I think we might have trouble finding implementations arronei: They all currently fail RESOLVED: Make it undefined whether forced break before first page creates a :first page or a blank page ACTION fantasai: Propose wording <trackbot> Created ACTION-281 ACTION fantasai: move page-selector-003 and page-selector-004 to css3-page TS <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 glazou: Anything else we can do on 2.1? Gradients --------- glazou: Can anyone summarize? Are we reaching a consensus? Simon: I think we have to have Tab here. I don't think we have agreement between Brad and Tab yet glazou: I read a few of the proposals, and some of them declared as simple and easy just scared me Simon: Tab has an advantage in that he has a spec. I don't quite understand Brad's propsal well enough to know whether I can implement it. Steve: We seem to be getting very complex in the backgrounds. Wouldn't it make more sense to generate images and be able to plug it in as a background. fantasai: we're doing that already ...? Simon: Backgrounds have more things to deal with, e.g. tiling Simon: If you rotate the image, do you also rotate the grid? Simon: Sounds complicated Steve: Tying the way images are processed to the way the grid is done seems like a problem. Simon: I don't think we're tying them together. ... Simon: Rick was suggesting rotation as an alternate way to have angled gradients fantasai: The reason you want the angle information in the gradient itself is that it allows the gradient to be sized appropriately to the box Simon: I agree Simon: ... mailing list glazou: Anything else to discuss in the 8 remaining minutes? Meeting closed.
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