- From: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:25:47 -0700
- To: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
- Cc: Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, Brian Manthos <brianman@microsoft.com>, Prabs Chawla <pchawla@microsoft.com>
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Sylvain Galineau
> <sylvaing@microsoft.com> wrote:
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>> Brad, I don't understand what is 'extreme' about my example or why
>> it's more extreme than your own.
>
> Mine was a little extreme too, but mainly because it is harder to
> see where spread stops and blur starts when using smaller values.
> Usually when I spread shadows in PhotoShop, it is by a few points,
> usually less than the blur amount. When you have a lot of spread and
> not much (or any) blur, it starts looking less like a shadow, and
> more like something else. I can't recall the last time I used more
> than 10pt of spread on anything that was supposed to really look
> like a shadow. Sometimes, when using it as a faux glow, I add
>
>> But by playing
>> with increasing spread values in both Opera and Firefox - which, as
>> far as I can tell, implement spread radius as you
>> and Elika define it - then I do reach a point where the shadow's
>> shape is very different from that of the box
>> being shadowed, as well as that of previous less spread-out shadows.
>>
>> For example, using Opera 10.5x and Firefox 3.6.x :
>>
>> #ref {
>> width:50px;
>> height:50px;
>> margin:200px;
>> border: 1px solid black;
>> border-radius: 5px;
>> -moz-border-radius: 5px;
>> box-shadow: 0 0 0 10px blue, 0 0 0 50px green, 0 0 0
>> 160px red;
>> -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0 10px blue, 0 0 0 50px green, 0 0 0
>> 160px red;
>> }
>>
>> From the blue to the green and then the red shadow, is the shadow
>> surface being evenly expanded
>> in all directions ? I think the answer is yes and I gather from
>> your feedback that this is what
>> spreading is supposed to do. But has the *shape* of the shadow been
>> preserved all along ? I don't
>> get that part at all. The outer edge of each of the shadows is
>> visibly different from that of
>> any of the other shadows, never mind the outer border edge box
>> being shadowed.
>>
>> So it seems I was like Simon: I didn't understand what spreading
>> was. And then inferred it
>> from a requirement to preserve shape when a spread radius is
>> applied, requirement I do not see
>> being fulfilled with an even surface spread.
>>
>> I think an example like the one above annotated with arrows may be
>> helpful in clarifying the meaning
>> of spread radius and I can try to produce one. Most importantly,
>> what shape is being preserved, or
>> how it is preserved ought to be clarified. Maybe it's just a matter
>> of making it clear that *only* sharp
>> corners retain their border-radius ?
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