- From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:03:26 -0700
- To: www-style CSS <www-style@w3.org>
- Message-id: <E2921173-D53E-49D0-9C44-C8EFCCE9C095@apple.com>
Hello www-style, I recently posted a message on public-html about styling of form controls, in which I call for CSS fully defining how it works. The main focus was the form controls that already exist in HTML4, but these concerns may become even more important with some of the new form controls and interactive elements in HTML5. The CSS standards community may want to mull over these ideas. ----- Historically, the CSS WG has shied away from defining styling for form elements. This was seen as the province of browsers, and an area where consistency with the platform trumped control by the author. Certainly in the late '90s, when HTML4 was developed, this was the thinking. In addition, in the late '90s and early 2000s, it was not really clear at the time whether rich styling of form controls was even compatible with browser implementation strategies. Some browser engines, including WebKit in the early days, directly embedded true widgets from a platform native toolkit. And heavily customizing buttons or other form controls was seen as gimmicky and poor UI design. Since then, a number of things have changed: 1) Convergent evolution has led browser engines to support more and more styling. Four years ago, we went through a major effort to make form controls highly styleable in WebKit. We abandoned use of true Cocoa controls in exchange for rendering all controls primarily with the engine's own layout and rendering code. Here is a blog post from that era that shows just how customizable text fields were, even in those early days: <http://webkit.org/blog/51/text-fields/>. Although I am not privy to the internals of all browser engines, I believe all browsers have some degree of custom code for form controls, because it is more or less required for various aspects of Web compatibility. Market pressure and convergent evolution mean that the basic approach and degree of styleability have become more popular over the years. 2) Building rich, interactive applications making heavy use of the Web's client-side technologies has become a really big deal. Form controls are no longer just for queries or actions to be taken on a server - they have become part of a toolkit for building applications, rich documents, and content that spans the divide between documents and applications. 3) Use of custom appearance for certain controls has become more widely accepted as a valid approach to HI design. This has been partially driven by the Web, where sites have their own individual look and flavor; partly by the evolution of native applications for Mac OS X and Windows 7; and partly by new platforms like iPhone OS and Android. Having a custom look for a button is no longer a gimmick, it is a critical piece of the basic toolkit for application development. 4) Popular sites are applying a great deal of custom styling to form controls. One example page we love to use here is <http://google.com/ >. If you take a peek in, say, Safari or Firefox, you can see that Google has put a lot of custom styling on the text field and the two <input type=submit> buttons on their home page. This lets them have a custom look while still working in old or obscure browsers, or in browsers with script disabled, and to provide good accessibility while maintaining fairly compact markup. But by styling form controls at all, they are in a no-man's land in terms of standards. We need to bring this technique into the real of interoperable-specified behavior. 5) Innovation in client-side Web technologies has gradually re-emerged from a state of partial dormancy over the mid to late 2000s. The core client-side technologies of the Web are all under active development, not in maintenance mode as they have been for years. 6) While in theory you can build your own buttons and text fields using <div>s, JavaScript, CSS, ARIA and contentEditable, that's a big cliff to fall off of for a little bit of custom appearance. And it means that you need to completely shift your whole implementation when you change your mind about wanting a platform-native look vs. a custom look. A good UI toolkit gives you the raw materials you need to fully build your own controls from scratch, but also provides common built- in controls with a good amount of customizability. Right now, we're not doing as well as we could be for buttons and textfields, the most basic of all controls, because you either rely on nonstandard behavior or fall off a steep API cliff when you want a custom look. 7) Styling has evolved from a nice little enhancement to a key factor that is critical to the experience of many websites. So that's my thought about why the HTML4 set of controls, at least, should have fully defined custom styling. Regards, Maciej
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