- From: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:07:34 +0200
- To: Giovanni Campagna <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com>
- Cc: www-style@w3.org
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-css3-multicol-20090630/
> The following are comments to the yesterday (30/06) css3-multicol Last Call WD.
Thanks for your extensive comments. Now that the last call period has
ended, it's time to give you an answer. I agree with you on most
points you raise, and I belive the CSS WG will confirm this. For now,
the editor's draft has also been updated to reflect changes.
> 1) The title is still "CSS3 module: Multi-column layout"
>
> Hadn't the WG decided to adopt consistent naming and in particular to
> avoid saying CSS3?
>
> If yes, it should be called "CSS Multi-column Layout Module" or "CSS
> Multi-column Layout Module Level 3" (although I guess that Level 3 is
> only for features that did exist in level 2)
The CSS WG agrees that the title should be changed. The two names you
list are both good candidates. Personally, I would prefer the first as
multi-column layout wasn't part of CSS2.
> 2) About column-rule-color:
> Why UAs are required only to support CSS2 colors?
> If the goal is to avoid the burden of hsl / rgba / SVG colors,
> shouldn't that be delegated to a reduced profile?
This is a general problem for several CSS modules; should they refer
to CSS 2.1 or emerging CSS3 modules? In this case, it seems best to
refer to CSS 2.1 and the draft has been edited to reflect this.
> 3) About column breaks
>
> 3.a) At the beginning of section 5, replace desrciption with description
Indeed, thanks.
> 3.b) Is it possible to avoid a column break while still allow a page break?
> Is the intended effect like:
>
> ----------------------------------
> | a bcd efg hij | |
> | lmn opq rst u | |
>
> / page break, but content remains in the same column /
>
> | rst uvw xyz ab| |
> | cde fgh ijk l | |
> ----------------------------------
A page break will always cause a column break; columns on different
pages are considered to be different columns. This specification does
not provide a way to ensure that all content is in the (say) left-most
column.
> 3.c) What about margin and collapsing of them?
> If you're delegating all (not just properties) to css3-page, you
> should say that explicitly.
The last-call draft stated:
A multi-column element establishes a new block formatting context,
as per CSS 2.1 section 9.4.1.
Which is correct, but somewhat cryptic. Therefore one example has been
added to the editor's draft:
A top margin set on the first child element of a mulitcol element
will not collase with the margins of the multicol element.
Further, in the description of the "break" properties, this text now occurs:
When a page or column break splits a box, the box's margins,
borders, and padding have no visual effect where the split occurs.
However, margins will be preserved after forced page/column break. A
forced page/colum break is a break that does not occur naturally.
> 4) About overflow inside and outside the multicolum element,
>
> 4.a) you should insert some examples of non-floated, overflowing,
> clipped element (maybe inlines with long words)
Yes. Done in the editor's draft.
> 4.b) what happens if a non-floated element overflows vertically?
> Is it still clipped regardless of overflow? Can implementations put
> scrollbars, if overflow asks so?
Yes, the spec states:
Content that extend outside column boxes at the edges of the
multi-column element is clipped according to the 'overflow'
property.
> 4.c) what happens if Example XVIII has an element that floats on
> the rigth? Is the element clipped (showing only the right part), does
> the element intrude (ignoring the side of the float), does overflow
> apply?
I believe there's consensus in the WG to remove intrusion before
moving to CR. There have been no implementations of intrusion, and it has been removed from the editor's draft.
> 4.d) if there are more columns than available, are scrollbars
> rendered when overflow:auto / scroll?
Yes, the spec states:
Content that extend outside column boxes at the edges of the
multi-column element is clipped according to the 'overflow'
property.
> 5) Section conformance names a "column-grid-image", but no definition
> is provided in the document.
I assume you refer to 'column-gap-image'. Indeed, this was a mistake
and it has been removed.
Let me know if you still think changes are necessary.
Cheers,
-h&kon
Håkon Wium Lie CTO °þe®ª
howcome@opera.com http://people.opera.com/howcome
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