- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:26:26 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Summary:
- RESOLVED: duplicate @namespace declarations are nonconforming
- RESOLVED: Update @namespace CR with this clarification
- Discussed proposed topics for June F2F:
- Comments from Multicol LC
- GCPM should be updated, may have more issues
- Reflecting font features into CSS
- Test suites
- Paged Media should be updated, may have more issues
- Reviewed test review process, tweaked it to let reviewer note
r+ by adding his/her name in the test metadata and checking in
http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
- RESOLVED: Publish 2D Transforms once Steve's note is properly added
====== Full minutes below ======
Attendees:
David Baron
John Daggett
Elika Etemad
Sylvain Galineau
Chris Lilley
Håkon Wium Lie
Anne van Kesteren
Mike Smith
Steve Zilles
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/06-css-irc
Meeting: Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) Working Group F2F Tokyo
Date: 05 March 2009
Chair: Chris
Scribe: jdaggett
namespaces
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Anne: There's just one clarification we want to make to the spec before
proceeding
anne: duplicate clarifications are not conformant
anne: after that change and we have two implementations
anne: we can go to pr
discussion of pr criteria
anne: we have a full test suite
chrisl: level of coverage?
discussion of test failures
anne: bugzilla bug exists
discussion of exit criteria
and whether can remove tests
chrisl: no recs got published since i left the group
discussion of specific bug mozilla is currently failing
dbaron: test is wrong
dbaron: has to due with url parsing bug
dbaron: hmmm, maybe the bug does exist
chrisl browbeats dbaron
dbaron resists valiantly
anne: waiting for implementations to pass
<dbaron> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/current/syntax-013.xml
<dbaron> is the test that fails in Gecko
quiet falls upon the room...
friday afternoon haze methinks
MikeSmith busy computing pi to 5000 digits
correction: anne states duplication declarations are not conformant
chrisl: agreement?
RESOLVED: duplicate namespace declarations make content nonconforming
Elika: Do we want to publish a new CR of namespaces with the one change?
Chris: No point holding it back.
ACTION: fantasai publish namespaces CR and Selectors LC
June f2f agenda
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howcome: multi-col should be into LC
stevel: gcpm?
howcome: yes
stevel: how to reflect font features in css
stevel: test suites?
fantasai: working on draft of paged media
Reviewing Tests
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anne: what's issue with ms test suite?
fantasai: getting them reviewed is the key
howcome: can we get a demo of the test suite?
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
fantasai showing tests suite
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review-checklist
fantasai: managing test checks via mailing list
<fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/
<fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/svn-view/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/
<fantasai> send mail to public-css-testsuite
fantasai: build system will hopefully index metadata for tests
fantasai: this should give us
fantasai: a better understanding which tests fail
howcome: who's server is this?
fantasai: CSSWG. HP has donated the money, but it's under
Peter's personal control
howcome asking about tests
howcome sparks up his irc client, gears spinning
fantasai: svn view to figure out changes
fantasai: build script to turn xhtml to html versions
fantasai: after that i'll be tidying up, cron job to build
sylvain: manpower issue
discussion of format guidelines
fantasai: Arron has a set of scripts written in C# that do a lot of checks;
the CSS group does not have these.
<ChrisL> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/Chapter_5/attribute-value-selector-004.xht
not well formed
<howcome> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/Chapter_5/attribute-value-selector-004.xht
fantasai: lots of work to do
<ChrisL> it would be easy to pass all files through an xml parser and see
which ones are nwf so they can be fixed
fantasai: some tests not well-formed
howcome: so what's the process here?
anne: not clear when a test is approved
fantasai: someone needs to review each test and confirm to mailing list
<ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Mar/
howcome notes an error in markup
howcome: we follow standards... ;)
anne: reparsing a security issue
<ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Mar/0002.html
sylvain: not sure when this is going to get completed
fantasai: so, um..
fantasai: can make a wiki page with links to tests
fantasai: categorized by reviewed, not reviewed
discussion of review process
howcome now calculating pi to 6000 digits, one-uping MikeSmith
dbaron proposing a process
* anne just reached the end of pi
chrisl: check out test, confirm, twiddle tasty bits in test file, check
back in
fantasai: need mailing list post
* shepazu tells anne to stop being irrational
* jdaggett shepazu should be tucked into bed by now, no?
* shepazu @jdaggett... at midnight? are you kidding?
* jdaggett heh, night is young...
fantasai, dbaron discussing whether to check-in vs. posting to mailing list
fantasai: either way (patches or posting mail) is fine
<fantasai> hey Melinda, just in time. We're discussing tests
* anne retorts with http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/numb/pi-irr.html
fantasai: svn view is web interface for checking who has done what
<melinda> heh heh, I was just going to capture the log as I toddled off
to bed, but I can hang out for a bit.
fantasai: Arron wants to know when things change
stevel: automatic checkin notification?
dbaron: can we just do this via email?
stevel: but for others outside the wg
anne: for html5, several lists track changes
dbaron: uh, not just tools, actually doing the work...
fantasai: need meta element to note review
discussion of meta format for review comment
steve making a point
anne commenting
chrisl: i'm taking fonts chapter
more process discussion
fantasai about to speak
everyone quiet in anticipation
fantasai fiddling with keyboard
chrisl assigning homework
anne: chapter 4 syntax
dbaron: 5, selectors
<dbaron> chris: 15, fonts
howcome: dbaron, 12
stevel: 14
<melinda> Uh, what homework is being assigned...?
howcome: 13
MikeSmith getting suckered into more work...
MikeSmith: appendix d
MikeSmith: media types 7
fantasai: i'm doing Eira's bidi tests
anne: hixie, 8-11
?
howcome: bert, box model?
me: fonts, 15
howcome gives me a hard time
fantasai: i updated review process with metatag format
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/format#reviewer
fantasai demoing svn details
howcome: melinda should do?
<fantasai> svn co http://test.csswg.org/svn/ myfavdirectorynam
to check out everything
<howcome> Melinda: we're signing up for CSS 2.1 tests to review
<melinda> Yeah!
<howcome> Melinda: each person in the room has picked a chapter
melinda is working on print, 13
fantasai: ^
<melinda> But I need a reviewer (thanks, Hakon!)
<fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html
<fantasai> Recommended reading ^
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
i'll do chap. 6
<howcome> Melinda: is it possible to put the tests on the same server
as where the MS tests are? Or, should I look somewhere else?
<fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/
<melinda> I've been moving some to the csswg site, and I'll try to get
the rest moved over next week.
<fantasai> melinda: Are you putting them in
http://test.csswg.org/svn/submitted/css2.1/page/ ?
<melinda> yes
steve: asks for pointers on the wiki page
chrisl: agenda item, go over tests in june f2f
chrisl: complete test reviews by start of april?
chrisl: review test suite status at beginning of april
<sylvaing> the msft test suite site also allows you to navigate your tests
by properties/rules if that helps :
http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/css.htm
<anne> rel="reviewer" is now provisionally registered:
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions
Transforms Publication
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ScribeNick: dbaron
Elika: SVG WG wants us to publish transforms on the same day as ???,
so we have a combined news item.
howcome: what was the compromise?
Steve: Dean and I agreed on a paragraph.
Steve: [reads paragraph]
<fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-2d-transforms/
howcome: I think the second role (layout-affecting transforms) should
be in a separate spec, since it's so different.
Steve: It's all the same properties.
Anne: No need to discuss this now.
Anne: Just agree on the text and whether to publish Wednesday.
Elika: The text you read isn't in the draft.
Steve: Hmm, he said he'd put this in in mail to me on 23 Feb.
Chris: Last modification of that draft is 18 Feb.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2009JanMar/0114.html
ACTION: Bert to put text from
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2009JanMar/0114.html
into css3-2d-transforms and request publication.
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