- From: Richard Fink <rfink@readableweb.com>
- Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:39:21 -0500
- To: "'Tab Atkins Jr.'" <jackalmage@gmail.com>, "'Brad Kemper'" <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
- Cc: "'Eric A. Meyer'" <eric@meyerweb.com>, "'www-style'" <www-style@w3.org>
On Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote: >I still think "regardless" is a better word choice there. I've been using "irregardless" in casual conversation my whole life. I suspect - no hard research done - its usage is primarily regional. (New York) Hence, perhaps that's why Eric Meyer spotted it as non-standard all the way from Cleveland. ;) Dictionary.com pegs it's coinage as early 20th century and that fits in with my speculation that the word originated with non-native immigrant speakers. "Regardless" is nicely neutral. "Irrespective" has echoes of a judgmental "disrespect" that I don't think fits the context here. I vote for "regardless". Does the job, language-wise. Regards, rich -----Original Message----- From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tab Atkins Jr. Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:48 AM To: Brad Kemper Cc: Eric A. Meyer; www-style Subject: Re: [css-fonts] "Irregardless"? REALLY? On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Eric A. Meyer wrote: > >> So just last night, I was reading up on 'font-size'adjust' (3.7) and stumbled into the following bit of prose: >> >> "It does this by adjusting the font-size so that the x-height >> is the same irregardless of the font used." >> >> Horrified, I searched the document and discovered it AGAIN in the description of 'unicode-range' (4.5): >> >> "Code points outside of the defined unicode-range are ignored, >> irregardless of whether the font contains a glyph for that >> code point or not." >> >> I believe both instances should be changed to "regardless", because that's an actual word. "irrespective" would also be an acceptable substitute, though in my opinion just barely. See <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irregardless> for more information, if that's really necessary. >> Also, never tell me who did this, because if I find out I'll be honor-bound to follow through on my public statement and slap them like a haddock. (Yes, "like", not "with".) >> >> -- > > Enough people use "irrespective" to make it an actual word. It is hardly the first instance of a word in English that seems to mean the opposite of what it should, or of what it originally meant. > > Dictionaries can be both proscriptive and descriptive. Misuse of words turns out to be one of the biggest ways that languages change and evolve[1], and it always involves traditionalists bemoaning the disintegration of their language. But basically, if enough people misuse a word in the same way, the word takes on that new meaning, and dictionaries eventually have to adapt by describing the new meaning. > > [1] <http://www.unfoldingoflanguage.com/> I still think "regardless" is a better word choice there. Let's not promote silly opposites-mean-the-same-thing word pairs like flammable/inflammable. ~TJ
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