- From: Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) <P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:31:58 +0100
- To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- CC: www-style <www-style@w3.org>, www-html@w3.org
fantasai wrote:
> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>
>> Apropos of an earlier discussion, here is an
>> interesting (and perhaps classic) example of
>> an unordered list (as perceived by its author)
>> being cited as an ordered list by a commentator :
> Philip, this [1] is off-topic.
Odd you should think that, because when this issue
was first raised on the WWW-HTML list [2], David Woolley
argued that it should have been raised on the WWW-STYLE
list (see below).
> David Woolley wrote:
>>
>> Tina Holmboe wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:14:24AM +0100, David Woolley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Um. And www-svg for CSS feature requests? www-style, perhaps?
>>
>> Oops. Yes I did mean www-style@w3.org!
>>
>>> Perhaps I am confused, but I certainly can see no difficulty in
>>> claiming that "this is a list of items, each of which has a heading"
>>> and label it a perfectly valid use-case?
>>
>> Because it is not a numbered list.
>>
>> If you take the position that this is a numbered list, then simple
>> documents, that would normally be done with Hn and P are really
>> unnumbered lists and should be done with UL and LI, with the marker
>> styled out of the LIs.
>>
>> Furthermore, to a large extent, whether or not the headings are numbered
>> is a styling issue, and would be specified in a narrative style sheet
>> for someone manually doing the layout, so it is wrong that the HTML
>> should differ from that for a document without section numbers or with
>> the section numbers included in the Hn elements.
>>
>> (One common reason for wanting to force numbered headings in [X]HTML
>> documents is because one is trying to reproduced legal documents,
>> particarly statutes, accurately, but in that case it is probably
>> dangerous to allow automatic numbering.)
>>
>> (In at least one version of XHTML2 this would be done with section and h
>> elements, and the h elements styled to include the numbers.)
[1] Message-ID: <47FE12BE.1080403@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:14:38 +0100
From: Philip TAYLOR <Philip-and-LeKhanh@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>
To: Ambrose Li <ambrose.li@gmail.com>
CC: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, www-style@w3.org
References: <2285a9d20804090900k8aa02fek9d4dbdfb9c8d18cd@mail.gmail.com> <20080410074928.GA9169@ridley.dbaron.org> <47FDDAAD.90506@inkedblade.net> <af2cae770804100542n11a552e0s66eab5a0f9855a9c@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <af2cae770804100542n11a552e0s66eab5a0f9855a9c@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: <UL> cited as <OL> (was : [css3-webfonts] Downloaded fonts should not...)
[2] Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:38:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Alford <alford@wuphys.wustl.edu>
To: www-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804011024240.27470@marcion.wustl.edu>
Subject: proposed li:marker pseudo-class
Received on Thursday, 10 April 2008 21:34:07 UTC