- From: Dylan Schiemann <dylans@yahoo.com>
- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
- To: mjumbe@electricstoat.com, www-style@w3.org
Mjumbe,
I feel that you don't need a special way to style a
scrollbar, but you need a way to reference it, i.e.:
scrollbarBase
{color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;}
scrollbarArrow {}
etc. (hopefully with a better nomenclature)
rather than "polluting" css with a number of
additional properties.
The same is "needed" (if you want to be consistent)
for input type=file, which has only one element
reference to describe two visible elements. So really
I don't think falls under style, but rather under the
DOM. Presently I think there is little activity in
DOM HTML and DOM Views, but that seems to be the most
appropriate place for getting something added to a
spec. for this behavior.
-Dylan Schiemann
http://www.sitepen.com/
http://www.dylanschiemann.com/
--- Mjumbe Ukweli <mjumbewu@hotmail.com> wrote:
> excuse me while i crusade.
> scroll bars need to be styleable.
>
> scroll bars are increasingly becoming integral parts
> of web page designs and
> thus they should be styleable. to say that it would
> be too intrusive for
> the designer to dictate how a browser should display
> them is like saying the
> same of buttons or text boxes. the appearance of
> these controls are also
> operating system dependant under normal
> circumstances, but few would
> disagree that designers should have the freedom to
> overwrite their default
> appearences.
>
> in the olden days of yore when the only place a
> scroll bar appeared was on
> the right side of the window and occasionally at the
> bottom they were easy
> for designers and users to ignore. because scroll
> bars may now appear
> anywhere on a page (with 'overflow: scroll' or with
> '<iframe>'s, which
> should be part of the Strict DTD, but that's a
> different list) they are no
> longer purely a part of the user agent -- they are
> parts of page elements
> and IMO they too should be styled as freely as any
> other.
>
> keep in mind that i am not requesting that there be
> outrageous and overly
> confusing styles for scrollbars such that up might
> mean down and down mean
> up or something. perhaps a designer wants the
> scrollbar on the left instead
> of the right. perhaps not even that, um, extreme.
> simple things. at the
> very minimum they should have the ability to control
> the the arrow color
> (perhaps it's shape as well -- filled triangles or
> empty triangles,
> something like that), the button and thumb sizes,
> and the border color,
> thickness, and style (solid, dashed, groove, etc.).
> sure it may just make
> the page look "neat", but if designers didn't want
> their pages to look
> "neat" then there would be no point in style sheets
> and everyone could just
> use the default EVERYTHING.
>
> they're just another kind of control. that's all.
>
>
> ? mjumbewu ?
>
>
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