- From: Chris Wilson <cwilso@MICROSOFT.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:33:40 -0800
- To: "'Douglas Rand'" <drand@sgi.com>, MegaZone <megazone@livingston.com>
- Cc: www-style@w3.org
I'm not sure what is meant by "RGB percentile values" - percentage values in
rgb functional notation ("color: rgb( 100%, 0%, 100%)") are supported by
both Internet Explorer 4.0 and Navigator 4.0. Rgb functional notation was
not in IE 3.x.
At any rate, my objection is that a new color specification type is a
non-optional technology. Envision loading a page that sets its text color
using HSL, and has the background set to "black" (the named color). It
makes sense to do this - you know you want a solid, normal black background,
so you use the named color 'cause it's easy, and you want to tweak the
foreground color, so you use HSL.
Now look at the page in a browser that may support all of CSS1, but none of
CSS2. Look at it in IE4 and Navigator 4. It's black-on-black. This is
much worse than not supporting the right semantics for margin values, or not
supporting font variants, or even not supporting positioning - even the
smallest embedding system UA could support enough CSS to understand "black",
and show you black-on-black because it doesn't support HSL.
HSL may be a wonderful thing - but putting it into CSS >1.0 may not be. Put
it in the tools. Heck, if someone sends me a Javascript/C/C++/Java
algorithm, I'll put support for it in my DHTML CSS editor for IE4. (Public
URL pending.)
-Chris
Chris Wilson
cwilso@microsoft.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Rand [SMTP:drand@sgi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 1:04 PM
> To: MegaZone
> Cc: www-style@w3.org
> Subject: Re: HSL (fwd)
>
> MegaZone wrote:
> > Would HSL be something that doesn't take practice? It seems like any
> > format would require practice to use effectively.
>
> More to the point, there are a class of people who would be able
> to deal with this more effectively than RGB.
>
> >...
> > color so the system used really doesn't matter. And to mean that means
> > there is no point adding yet other options.
>
> No, I don't think that follows.
>
> > In the real world that that means is something else that will NOT be
> > supported. Just as the RGB percentile values aren't now by the major
> > browsers. The more possible systems, the greater the likelyhood of
> > deployment issues, which is a major pain for developers already. The
> fewer
> > the possible systems, the more reliable support will be, and the easier
> > it is for authors to develop pages.
>
> While this is probably true (although I *do* support percentiles). I
> don't particularly understand it. Percentiles take even less effort.
> But I'm not in favor of getting into predicting the behavior of browser
> vendors. If I were to do that I'd advise dropping alot of things.
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Rand drand@sgi.com
> Silicon Graphics/SSO http://reality.sgi.com/drand
> Disclaimer: These are my views, SGI's views are in 3D
Received on Wednesday, 10 December 1997 19:37:12 UTC