- From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:23:58 -0400
- To: connolly@w3.org
- Cc: phayes@ai.uwf.edu, www-rdf-logic@w3.org
From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Subject: Re: What do the ontologists want
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:22:53 -0500
> pat hayes wrote:
> > Not at all: I think you have put your finger right on the button. There
is a mismatch between the reality and the rhetoric of RDF. As a
general-purpose graph-structure-encoding formalism, it is just
fine. (It has a truly awful surface syntax, but everyone agrees that is
a crock and needs replacing.) But it hasnt been sold as that: it has
been sold as a universal knowledge/information representation language,
with a clear semantics which is both utterly simple (relational
triples) and simultaneously universal, post-Goedelian, trans-Tarskian
and magically universal, due to the Power of Reification. That is why
it is going to be the, I don't know, the magical essence of the
Semantic Web, and why W3C seems to be so committed to it.
>
> Oh for cryin out loud, Pat, just cut it out. Exactly
> who is taking that position? Cite sources or retract it.
>
> Yes, there has been some confusion, and yes, some folks
> are saying things about RDF that can't possibly be
> true, but I think folks are here to learn and
> build something useful. And insulting
> them/us by taking some things that they/we may have said
> exaggerating them to the ends of the earth isn't
> getting us anywhere, is it?
I think that Pat has precisely characterised the situation.
There have been numerous posts on this group extolling the virtues of
reification. Many times I think that I am listening to late-night
infomercial:
Reification---it chops, it slices, it dices. No language should be
without it. No language needs more than it. Get yours now. Easy
payment terms of just endless hours of frustration from now to
eternity.
[Only partly in jest.]
> --
> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
>
Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Bell Labs Research
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