- From: pat hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:52:17 -0500
- To: "Seth Russell" <seth@robustai.net>
- Cc: www-rdf-logic@w3.org, ora.lassila@research.nokia.com, swick@w3.org
>From: "pat hayes" <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
>
> > First, note that quoting provides a character string, and reification
> > in general provides at most a description of syntactic form, so such
> > 'attribution' examples need to be taken with a pinch of salt. There
> > is a world of difference between "X says 'statement Y'" and "X says
> > that Y". Notice in the second case that the Y is NOT quoted; it is
> > being used (to refer to its content), not mentioned. Reification does
> > not provide access to content, only form.
>
>Apparently you are not using the word 'reification' in the same sense that
>it is applied to the example below in the RDF specification; see [1].
>
> Ralph Swick says that Ora Lassila is the creator
> of the resource http://www.w3.org/Home/Lassila.
>
>[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/#higherorder
>
No, I believe I am using it in that sense. The reference you cite
says the following:
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For example, let us consider the sentence
Ora Lassila is the creator of the resource
http://www.w3.org/Home/Lassila.
RDF would regard this sentence as a fact. If, instead, we write the sentence
Ralph Swick says that Ora Lassila is the creator of the
resource http://www.w3.org/Home/Lassila.
we have said nothing about the resource
http://www.w3.org/Home/Lassila; instead, we have expressed a fact
about a statement Ralph has made. In order to express this fact to
RDF, we have to model the
original statement as a resource with four properties. This process
is formally called reification in the Knowledge Representation
community. A model of a statement is called a reified statement.
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Notice that this says that reification is used in the sense it is
used in KRep, that a reified statement is a "model of" a statement,
which I take it means that it refers to that other statement; and
that the second fact is "about" the original statement. All of this
is exactly what I mean by reification also.
However, I think that the authors have used a slightly misleading
example. Notice that if the second sentence is taken literally, what
they say about it is not quite true. If understood in the most direct
way, it *does* say something about the resource
http://www.w3.org/Home/Lassila; it says, in fact, that Ralph Swick
says that Ora Lassila is the creator of it. The fact that the authors
claim that it says *nothing* about the resource suggests that they
are understanding this sentence to mean something like a direct
quotation, ie to mean something like: Ralph Swick uttered these
words: "Ora Lassila is.....". Then, indeed, everything they say about
the second sentence would be correct: it would say nothing about the
resource, and it would be correctly modelled by reification. So, I am
inclined to be charitable and assume that that this what they meant,
even though it is not what they said. They were not writing a
philosophical tract, after all.
Pat Hayes
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