- From: Drew McDermott <drew.mcdermott@yale.edu>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT)
- To: www-rdf-logic@w3.org
[Tim Berner-Lee]
Let's see... below you use a triple as an item in a triple.
[a b [c d e]
which one can assume is shorthand for
[a b _g]
_g [c d e]
with anonymous _g. So you have triples with addresses, or a restricted
form of quad.
How about we indicate the 4th component of a tuple in one of two ways:
-- Write it after a slash
[a b c]/nest-id
This emphasizes that the role of the nest-id is for grouping what
would otherwise be triples.
-- Put a bunch of triples inside curly braces, in which case they all
have the same 4th component, exactly which is unimportant. So
[a b {[a1 b1 c1], [a2 b2 c2], [a3 b3 c3]}]
would be short for
[a b b966]/top
[a1 b1 c1]/b966
[a2 b2 c2]/b966
[a3 b3 c3]/b966
This is more or less what happens in N3, except that a statement itself is
not surfaced as an extra type in the language. The (ugh) nest is. You can
easily identify a statement by giving a nest with only one statement in it.
It can be a subtype of nest, if you like. This reduces the number of things
in the language, which makes it simpler.
I believe asserting nests instead of triples does make sense, although
one could always coerce a triple to a singleton nest.
[Pat Hayes]
> 'etc' means a continuation of whatever structure it occurs in, in
> this case a relational sentence with more than two arguments. Again,
> it would be natural to allow things like [... a b c d] as an
> abbreviation for [....a [etc b [etc c d]]].
[Tim Berners-Lee]
Yes, "etc" is a useful kludge. Does it work? i'm not sure, as
I before I could say yes I would want to feel that the predicates and
nestings had well-defines meanings. For example, what is the object
of Q? The statement etc(a,b)? Not really.
I find etc dubious, too. The traditional way to introduce
multi-argument functions into RDF would be to write
[statement33 rdf:type love_triangle]
[statement33 winner melanie]
[statement33 won ashley]
[statement33 loser scarlett]
rather than
[love_triangle scarlett [etc melanie ashley]]
It is indeed impossible (or highly artificial) to give [etc melanie
ashley] a coherent meaning. We could take it literally to mean
"pair" or "cons", and make love_triangle a predicate on a person and a
pair of persons, but that would require interpreting some triples as
terms rather than statements.
-- Drew McDermott
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