- From: <Patrick.Stickler@nokia.com>
- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:45:38 +0200
- To: <sandro@w3.org>, <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
- Cc: <public-esw-thes@w3.org>, <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
> -----Original Message----- > From: www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org > [mailto:www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of ext Sandro Hawke > Sent: 16 November, 2004 22:46 > To: Miles, AJ (Alistair) > Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org; www-rdf-interest@w3.org > Subject: Re: working around the identity crisis > > > > > > What I would really like is a clear and up-to-date case > from each camp > > stating (as briefly and objectively as possible) reasons > why a [hash/slash] > > URI *should not* be used to identify a thesaurus concept. > > What I think you want is http://esw.w3.org/topic/HashVsSlash and the > linked pages like HashURI and SlashURI. These are wiki pages; people > are invited to help improve them, but they've been pretty stable for a > year or so. > > -- sandro Unfortunately, those pages seem to be authored by those with a shared viewpoint, despite the occasional comment here and there. I've tried to add comments to wikis in the past, but I don't consider wiki's or blogs to be proper vehicles for addressing hotly debated topics. E.g. The line in the cutesy program on the first page: 30 PRINT "But now you're conflating web pages with properties and classes." is simply wrong, and misleading. Yet the energy necessary to co-edit such a page to correct such errors is simply too great, IMO, especially since anyone can go and discard my contributions and thus I've simply wasted my time. Discussion lists such as these provide a public record that is searchable and referencable. Occasional summaries of arguments and examples are, of course, a good idea. And also serve as useful input to continued debate and hopefully help achieve concensus. I think it's fair to say that those wiki pages present a particular side of this debate, and try to give some degree of coverage to the opposing side, but do not really succeed. And I myself would not be interested in getting into some form of editorial flip-flop war where I make changes, someone else disagrees, deletes my changes, adds their own, I change those, then my updates get removed/changed, etc. etc. If you intend to reflect a summary of both sides of this debate, then you should include quite a few references to past threads and/or summarize key points made in those threads. That's not to in any way undervalue the effort you and others have put into producing those wiki pages, only that I do not consider them to be unbiased or to reflect both sides of the debate equally well. Just because noone has edited/changed/augmented what you or others may have written on those wikis does not mean that they reflect any kind of concensus, or a complete and accurate view of the debate. Wikis are easily percieved as semi-private property, and thus simply do not function as a truly neutral forum. Not wanting to offend in any way, but I feel the need to caution those individuals invited to consider the content of such wikis -- that just because they may claim to present both sides of this debate, or just because they are hosted on the W3C site (another senstive issue entirely) that does not mean that they are complete or correct (not that I think that the authors necessarily claim any such thing), or represent the kind of concensus view that e.g. a WG publication would be expected to embody, or carry the weight and force of the W3C simply because that is where they are hosted. I for one have a number of issues and concerns with the materials presented on the above referenced, and other, wikis about this debate, both regarding their completeness and their apparent bias, but do not consider it optimal to attempt to change that content directly. Google may prove to be the better, more neutral source of information concerning this debate ;-) Patrick
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